Zoom session — Jeff Weiss & Jonathan (December 16, 2025): the Tropical Forest thread and the Wallenberg courtship

Transcript Node: Jeff Weiss & Jonathan (Dec 16, 2025)

Date Recorded: Dec 16, 2025

Context: This session focuses on the integration of the QPN with global sustainability efforts, specifically the Tropical Forest Forever Facility (TFFF), and the strategic outreach to the Wallenberg family. It underscores the futility of traditional corporate review and the necessity of direct executive engagement. The transcript has been programmatically polished to remove filler words, verbal stutters, and run-on artifacts, breaking giant blocks into readable paragraphs while carefully preserving the underlying meaning and raw emotion.

Meeting Participants & Relationships

• Jonathan Hare: The host and main speaker. Architect of the Lokahi and QPN Catalyst initiatives.

• Jeff Weiss: A long-time friend and professional contact. He provides a connection to the Wallenberg family and other high-level executives, acting as a foil to Jonathan's unconventional strategic approach.

Executive Summary

- • Strategic Frustration: The dialogue captures the tension between traditional, slow-moving corporate vetting and the QPN's requirement for zero-friction, top-down executive signaling.

- • Inverse Spence Signaling: Jonathan explains how utilizing the credibility of apex decision-makers (without requiring sunk costs) is the mechanism to bypass bureaucratic gridlock.

- • The Catalyst Contribution Graph: A recurring theme is the necessity of recording contributions via the QPN Catalyst to ensure equitable distribution of the ecosystem's massive projected value.

- • Global Impact: The conversations constantly scale from personal anecdotes to civilizational impact, referencing the integration of faith-based initiatives, environmental sustainability (TFFF), and AI safety.

Polished Complete Transcript

UNKNOWN: Jeff Weiss - Jonathan Hare Tue, Dec 16, 2025

JONATHAN HARE: Hmm. Hmm.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Hello.

JEFF WEISS: Hey, how you doing, man?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good. How are you?

JONATHAN HARE: Very well. Very well. Indeed.

JONATHAN HARE: Thanks for your holiday greetings.

JONATHAN HARE: Indeed. You're looking a Christmasy yourself or season eating yourself or whatever the hell we call it.

JEFF WEISS: Anyway.

JONATHAN HARE: Cool. What do you think of the email?

JONATHAN HARE: I thought it was good. Thank you. Thanks for making it succinct. You had, you had three points.

You, put them right up front and then you had the longer part below.

JONATHAN HARE: That was great. Yeah. I thought we'd try and catch the attention deficit disorder crowd, and, but have something naked. If they get engaged, there's, it's all there.

JEFF WEISS: They'd, they'd like to do it. The attention deficit disorder crowd at some level is everybody.

JONATHAN HARE: Indeed. Indeed. Although not the people that transform the world,. The great innovations happen by people that have persistence and drive and stick to it, and then everybody else just leverages their industriousness, shall we say.

JEFF WEISS: We're all standing, the whole world's standing on your shoulders, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: No, no. This is a product of artificial, or excuse me, of biological super intelligence involves hundreds of people brains being sucked and assimilated,? So anyway, cool. By the way, you see my little text I just sent.

JEFF WEISS: I've been at a, lunch that I just walked in from

JONATHAN HARE: Okay. No worries. Why is this not, here we go.

JEFF WEISS: Those are pretty colors.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. So anyways, yeah, we had a great session with, Marcello.

JONATHAN HARE: So this is, That's Marcello on the left.

JONATHAN HARE: No, this is Marcello here. This is Ed Russo, who's the chairman of Trump's environmental task force or whatever, who is actually awarded the, he actually, this guy is, this is this post, this guy from Gorilla Tech, which is the technical, one of the technical platforms of one Amazon. Okay.

JONATHAN HARE: And Trump has an environmental He does.

JONATHAN HARE: This is Ed Russo. I was at his table at the last Nobel Sustainability Trust, which was just, what, two weeks after Trump won. It was a year ago, November. It was a week after he won.

He's a legit environmentalist, but he wrote some books saying that Trump is an environmental hero, because that's how you get close to Trump.

JEFF WEISS: Right. Exactly.

JONATHAN HARE: Been working with Marcelo and Nobel. And so he, on behalf of Trump, won the Nobel Sustainability Award for the innovative stuff they're doing, which is based on shit that Marcelo and other people actually doing. And the way that the way that you make it resonate for Trump is not that it gives a shit about climate or it's all a giant hoax. But hey, if you take care of people, poor people in like Africa and South America, they won't migrate here.

What? They don't need to flee poverty. So that he can support. So they apparently work on something pretty big that they're going to enroll, roll out next year at Doha, which is the next Nobel sustainability trust.

So this is Marcello. This is, this is Tracy. Who's the, CEO of Nobel sustainability trust. This is this guy who's like trying to hug the alignment.

He's one of those people we're going to meet through Marcello. This is, what's that?

JEFF WEISS: He's in every picture.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, it's his post. It's this guy.

JONATHAN HARE: Jason. So he was nominated.

JONATHAN HARE: He just didn't win. So, okay. Yeah. Anyway, so I just, I went anyway.

So the thing was, and you're going, and this was in Miami. Yeah. They got a lot fancier than, It was some fancy hotel. So ours was at, I forget the UC Berkeley's like giant, hall, it's a nice spot, but it's not, they're going high end.

Yeah, let's see, where was it? Here's the Ed Russo thing. Anyways, so the follow up on this thing is, so what he's going to do, first of all, they're already working with on, he's doing this thing called, actually, Let's see if I can find it. Came from the, why is this not letting me go over?

There's this thing where it won't let you move your stick. There it goes. Where is it? Yeah, here we go.

Yeah, so he came up with, in addition to what they're already doing with Milliman, they're doing this, the government of Brazil has this thing where they want to decarbonize the agricultural sector in Brazil. So it's going to cover all parts of agriculture. They're starting in coffee because they have, Starbucks and a bunch of, they have a bunch of corporate partners. And it involves, providing funding to people for maintaining your environment and giving them healthcare, education, all the usual shit, same stuff that, they talk about.

Starting out with $300,000. And then go into three million, and then they'll add it to go into all the other, soybeans, like all the other agricultural areas. So it's a big thing. And then, are you familiar with this Tropical Forest Forever thing?

No. So you said there's only really three things that came out of COP, which is kind of a disaster. So there's Tropical Forest Forever facility, $100 billion thing. I'll show you that it's co-managed by IMF and the World Bank, who he's been working with since 1992.

There's this one Amazon thing, which is like a token digital asset thing that pays people to preserve biodiversity and all that kind of jazz. And then there's some three country agreement with the DRC and Brazil and Indonesia that fits in. So those are the ones he thought would fit the best. Cause what we want to do is, first of all, expand Locahi healthcare in, and globally, but starting in Brazil, which is a big country, by the way, and Millman already has a presence down there.

That's already happening, but it's like, but let's get it on a common shared infrastructure. And since you just leverage, do what we do, what? And because the more you reuse the same resources, they go to zero marginal cost. And by the way, if you want to create a market for all these things, what you need to, How do you assign a value to all this shit?

So they figure out some way to do it. There's a lot better. Our stuff actually creates value because of the way we structure the marketplace. It's like, hey, guess what?

If say we invent a bunch of cool healthcare capabilities, like it will be much cheaper to deliver really high quality healthcare. It's like, what? We give that to poor people everywhere and they pay for it with environmental sustainability. Same with education, same with market access.

So if you're in a poor country, right? We give it to you. It doesn't cost us anything. No, no downside to America.

The people in the middle of the Amazon or Africa have a decent life. Why not? What? We're not going to, we are not going to pay for doctors, but what do you fucking need doctors for?

If you have AI telling you what to do and if whatever, that's part of the deal. The other thing is he, let me go back to this guy. So are you familiar with one Amazon by the way? No, So it's just, they got a lot, whatever.

There's, there's a bunch of stuff behind it, but basically they have all this sensing stuff. They track it. They use sliders. They have a bunch of cool tech to figure out.

Are you taking care of this thing? They have a funding stream from people. Then they allocated people. If you actually preserve it, if you don't, if you commit a note, there's like a huge hectare get burned down.

You lose a hundred hectares worth of money kind of thing. So that's anyway, it's just something we can plug in and by the they have a bunch of techs like we don't care we can plug in any tech. We're totally neutral and in fact one of the things that resonated for him is they always if you want to do the like or the coffee thing or all this agricultural thing say you're doing Starbucks or Walmart. Are you familiar with the ethical supply chain space by any chance?

JONATHAN HARE: No.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah actually an old my old president or CEO of Resilient by the way moved over this thing based whatever. So all these guys Walmart everybody actually Walmart is how I found out about it. They're their biggest customer for this particular company. So they say, how do you understand?

You want to have ethically sourced. One second. Jerry, how you doing, man? How are you?

Very good. I got Jeff Weiss on zoom right now, but I've been trying to reach you forever. Have you met Jeff? Okay.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I haven't.

JONATHAN HARE: Hey, Jeff.

JONATHAN HARE: Hi, Jerry.

JONATHAN HARE: Jerry's, how you doing, man?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I am good. I don't want, I don't want to interrupt you with Jeff, but I just needed a couple minutes of your time. Do you want to just call me back when you're done with Jeff?

JONATHAN HARE: Sure, will do.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay, thanks Ben.

JONATHAN HARE: By the way, Jared, are you still there? Yeah. What's her face? She's the Chief Privacy Officer of Julie Brill.

She left, but I think she's still a consultant. We've got something going with Microsoft right now. Is she still consulting for Microsoft? Do?

Or do the new Chief Privacy Officer by any chance?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don't know. The new Chief Privacy Officer. Julie, I think, is a fellow over maybe at Future Privacy Forum. She's incapable of doing nothing.

I don't want to say I suspect she was forced out.

JONATHAN HARE: No, she was there for 10 years. I think there's a limit.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What are you going to do?

JONATHAN HARE: She should be able to get to people. But instead of it, she used to go into a consulting role, right? And this was like a few months ago. Anyways, well, I'll follow up with you later because we just, I want to cross connect with some people and because we're, so good deal.

Thanks, man. Ciao. Sorry about that. So anyways, the idea with all these things is, how like Jeff, by the way, I met with, I had dinner with, what's his name?

Peter Nez yesterday, where he's got his whole thing. Similar, but as I always suspected, Marcel is the guy with the real scale. Yeah, I love Peter. We'll work with that.

But here's these guys are much bigger. They're in play. They're happening right now, right? Then there's, let's see.

He's also going to hook us up with, well, there's Nobel Sustainability Trust there. And they're doing like this academy. They're doing a bunch of shit. One of which is this network of universities around the world.

Focus on sustainability using crypto and all sorts of cool shit. It's like great. We just want brand and connections I actually mentioned. Yeah, my buddy Jeff said yeah, we should go get likes, college kids in who the ones that innovate and it's like hey, what?

Peter it's like we're our mission allow everybody to be an entrepreneur easily cuz man, this is so much work, right? Yeah, and it's like yeah, it's too much work to create a network or a company Right. And so anybody it should make it easy for anybody to be entrepreneur now to a farmer in Brazil. But historically, it's the students that do this.

And those are the ones that, have the most like we get out to that. We just need to do it through universe somewhat. We can't fucking talk to all these people. But if you could harness these types of networks are doing right, it's a powerful thing.

Does that make sense?

JONATHAN HARE: Yes.

JONATHAN HARE: And in fact, this guy, let's see. Now, this is Tracy. She's wonderful and he's like her brother. That's Peter Nobel, by the way.

JONATHAN HARE: Which one's Peter Nobel?

JONATHAN HARE: That's his son, like Johan. And the tall one, Peter. This is Peter Nobel. He's very distinguished looking.

Yeah. And by the way, he's the one I talked to and his son, Johan, who said, hey, would you have you ever met, Marcus or Jacob? It's like, funnily enough, I have not, but I would love to. And, so anyways, we're, there's another one in here.

Yeah. What? It's not there. It's, this one, their formal announcement.

So this is our buddy Simran Chana, who I sat next to. He's like the Sikh dude. And he's at the Frontier Technologies Lab at Cambridge. But he's very connected.

I remember I talked to him. He's like, I'm in like Baja. What are you doing? Where are you?

Where are you hanging out? Some resort? It's like, no, it's actually it's Kimball Musk's estate. Here with a bunch of billionaires.

We're working on something in Columbia or whatever. So he's very wired. But he's one of these guys where he's got this network of a hundred, MIT, Stanford, like everything. Fucking famous university on the planet.

They have a network of blockchain and AI research labs. What? And so he's the, whatever he's, this is our other guy who's these, so these two, these guys were both fellows of ours. Anyways, long story short, it's like just leverage that brands matter and access matters, right?

And we need to have this fucking award. We should be getting a Nobel award, but of course we'll be a group award. Anyways, And so the guy who's the lead on all this stuff. This is Ed Russo, by the way, who actually won it.

And I bet you, by the way, I bet you they have some sort of bullshit token play. They love profits and tokens. So if he's working at the Trump crowd, that's how he's working it. Does that make sense?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: And we can make it not bullshit. The other one is the we talked about is the Sustainable Markets Initiative. Those guys, don't you?

JONATHAN HARE: No, but we've talked about them. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: So he's the chairman's like dude and we went through it's like we need to get to these people. So if I went in here for example in the this is just a health system. They have a whole bunch of different task forces. So there's just one task force within healthcare and guess who their members are, there's like a whole fucking ton of All the major pharma in Europe are there.

This is just a tiny subset. We're all members and they're C-suite people, right? They have scale. So if you go up...

And by the way, AstraZeneca is one of them. Where is it? Task forces. So these are the different task forces they have.

So basically they just get all these leadership together. They have like regional chairman. So he's Latin America. There's, North America.

There's Europe. There's blah. Blah, and then they have it by group. And it's like, what do we do for capturing?

What do we do? Asset man, what do we do? Whatever. And they just come up with all these initiatives to do it.

It's like, yeah, well, throwing AI at the encyclopedia.

JONATHAN HARE: These things all happen elsewhere. What is this group?

JONATHAN HARE: This is Charles sustainable markets initiative, which he did when he was Prince Charles. Right. So he's a passionate believer in sustainability. I forget when they launched it.

I, It was before he was king. So what was it? His Majesty King Charles. And by the way, Marcello knows him.

He's just like, yeah, I will be seeing His Majesty again, blah, blah. By the way, now that he's got cancer, I bet he's really into cancer shit. It hits you where you live, what? Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: I met his father when he was in his 90s. He was a really?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. No kidding. You mean the Prince Philip? Prince Philip.

No shit.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. No kidding. Yeah. He's, he's, he's, he was quite a guy.

Who's the one that, Mountbatten was the one that had issues.

JONATHAN HARE: I hear. I think they all have issues. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: But anyways, I actually met funnily enough, Prince Andrews through who, get Ghislaine, Matt, Maxwell, believe it or not. Why? I was at Heidi Klum's Halloween party in New York. It was like 2001 something like that.

I actually met fucking Donald Trump too. Ghislaine introduced me to him. Nobody wanted to talk to him because he was poor at the time. He looked really pathetic and he had no mojo whatsoever.

But Prince Andrew was there. Her father, Robert I remember the guy that jumped off a boat. He was actually the original funder for the Santa Fe Institute. And so that's what we were talking about.

And it's like, yeah. So I went on and on about that shit because they're right in the middle of it. It's like, yeah, I got a house there. And so then she started introducing me to everybody.

So I actually found her phone on a cocktail napkin, her cell phone number in her hand because she gave it to me at that party.

JONATHAN HARE: You may not want to tell many people that story.

JONATHAN HARE: Did she introduce you to some young people?

JONATHAN HARE: Young attractive women?

JONATHAN HARE: It was Heidi Klum's Halloween party. It's packed with fucking celebrities and models and shit, right? No, I would. Yeah.

Yeah. It was 2001, right?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Did Ms.

JONATHAN HARE: Maxwell take you on the side and say, have I got a deal for you?

JONATHAN HARE: No, no. See, the thing is they have two camps over there. They have the scientific camp. Murray Gell-Mann, he's got, they hung up and Murray Gell-Mann was not going around with fucking pedophile chicks, right?

It was just the way he engaged his fucking rich people. -huh. And so that was it. And, people, whatever the fuck.

So the point is, that's what I was talking to her about. I was ignoring all the models talking to her about it.

JONATHAN HARE: I believe you, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: So it will be part of our movie.

JONATHAN HARE: By the way, Peter's wife, after she listened to our conversation, because I had one with him and Mark Singer early and she overheard it. It's like, she told him, it's like, hey, you should, They should make a movie. I was like, yeah, that's part of the plan, except it's going to be a minute series. We can't fit it all into a two hour, two and a half hour movie.

So anyways, what we sort out with these guys is, we agreed we need to make it concrete with Milliman, building on what they're already doing and just their IT infrastructure. And what you need to do is link all data about everything. That's common. That's what you do with it.

Just all data about everything. Doesn't matter why. And we can do that very pragmatically. And the thing I like, about Marcello is he thinks big, right?

A lot of people try and go small. Small doesn't fucking work when you're solving problems like this. You need scale, right? And since our tech, have you, by the way, Read any more of our stuff, by the way?

JONATHAN HARE: Not since we spoke a couple of days ago.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. So the coolest thing about it is literally how trivially simple it is to link things. It's really nothing, right?

JONATHAN HARE: To link things?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. I went through this with Peter, by the way. It's like, what does it take? Say you're like any company with a website, whether you're Facebook, Meta, or Google, or your website.

You have a website, right? And well, whatever. It's like, okay, well, the whole point is without changing at all. So there's two things we can do.

And the key is zero marginal cost, right? So it's like, okay, you add this text to your privacy policies or terms of service, innocuous text, you can edit it. You don't even have to mention us. Just have to have the right language.

You authenticate users. Do you use email or phone? If you have more identity attributes, great. It makes it easier to match identities, right?

But if all you have is a phone or email, globally unique, we can authenticate to it and it can authorize creation of a privacy network for a person that we know of by their email address. All we know about this motherfucker is they got an email address. That's all we verified. Who did it?

Google did or whoever actually authenticated them, right? So then you do that and say, okay, now, guess what? You already have since you have to manage consents there's always an opt-in right terms of service they always have that nobody ever reads it but they all have it and every once in a while every three six months they say hey guess what you have to re-opt in have you noticed that like all websites they make you re-opt in every time they change their terms of service because they got right it's like okay have that now you could have like a bash we have this two apis for that thing it's like okay you feed in your identity information to this API it will then create a trust block it'll reveal no information anybody else we create a trust but there's been a privacy network authorized which even though you don't have to tell about it there's a quantum privacy cell which is a legal agent which facilitates doing what we do which we don't even have to tell them because you're not supposed to confuse people too many facts you're not supposed to confuse people with too many details about how it works that's not a good practice in private don't tell them about it right so then it created it and guess who created that organization right so if it was meta you just create you create a personal privacy number for this person you could have a million of them there's only one you and we're able to link it all together so what's the cost it's a log entry right it's it's like we're reusing you authenticate people you we're reusing what you do you authenticate people do you manage consents do you store data do you have hosting you have all of that we literally use that it's the cost it's the cost is so small you can't even fucking measure it right and then what if the network goes down guess what okay so that's one it just creates one secondly now that you have it when you have some user online if the user is authenticated in that session which you have to do by the way authenticated be we can track a fucking cookie for you don't have to do it if you can associate a cookie is associated with the person on the device So, who that person is. Say, okay, we know who this person is.

Do they have a personal privacy network? Then you can start personalizing shit for them anonymously through this network based on all the data in the network, right? There's an API for that. Those are the two APIs.

Doesn't change your shit at all. You're using OAuth and OpenID, which are the ubiquitous standards which everybody already uses. They already generate these verified credentials when they want to authorize anything, right? So, zero marginal cost.

Which means, okay, when it's actually zero, if it's like a thousandth of a penny, what if we want to have 8 billion people have personal privacy networks? That's a lot of fucking money. Ours is zero. Right now.

And by the way, anybody can do that. So if we did it for some organ, say you did it for like anybody big or fucking, Yahoo fucking anybody. Right. And then the other thing is by the way, that app or user content you had, that's how we interact with the people.

They don't need to know we exist. It's like, that app or content you have is a way of interacting with people. It creates engagement. Engagement is valuable.

So if you want to change somebody's behavior, we're going to offer you a healthy food choice. It's unbelievably valuable. Now, if some organization does that, it's like, Metta, your market cap just quadrupled just like that. You could do it in a fucking afternoon, right?

Now, Microsoft, you could do it for everybody. Any big company, by the way, it's like we don't, anyways, it's unbelievably powerful. It's immediate. And what would you need to do?

It's like, but what about all day? You're not going to see anybody's fucking day. We're doing with Millman and Icon, all these other people. Now they sit on your infrastructure.

You just don't own it. You will never see their data, but the rights, the fact that you're an engagement provider with the opt-ins now, by the way, you're now you and Millman because Millman is one, exchange provider. There's certain services like, you didn't host it. You didn't host the API that created the fucking thing.

You could, what? Join us. You can be an exchange provider, right? And go large.

You really should. Cause if only one did it, they're going to own the world. Their market cap goes through the fucking moon and everybody else never recovers because we don't need them, right? We get you through your customers, your partners, your online.

Once you have one, once you get a scale, there's a, So does that make sense?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, enough.

JONATHAN HARE: So anyways, by the way, on the other, and that's why we get all the stuff out. Well, anyways, the other thing we want to do is we're crowdsourcing this. And so you remember the accelerators? So we have quantum privacy cells, right?

And all this is in the patent. It's all there. Whether people have the time to Read it or not, people don't understand quantum mechanics, a bunch of other shit. We live our lives on it.

There's like, everybody depends on ASML. There are vendors that do shit. ASML. Nobody understands how their shit works.

They own it. Ours, we really own it. We got it patented. Whatever the fuck.

We fucking completely own this shit. Anyways, you get these accelerators and I actually put links to all these things in there because if people get curious and you pass it around, right? It's like, okay, we just need to rename this accelerator. Because they're all accelerators now.

And it's like okay, each of these things has some mission, right? So here's a healthcare one. It's like this is what we do. It just describes everything it is.

These are the deliverables. Everything about healthcare by the way, which is all in our patent, how you do it optimally. But also we can do it incrementally because I don't care what the hell you have. Does the web constrain what you can put on a website?

Can you not put any information?

JONATHAN HARE: So let me stop for a minute. So you've sent this email to Derek and Lee. In Derek's email to you in like May, whatever the one you were responding to. He said, we're really busy in defense, but how about these other three people?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, I said, I would be great to meet any of them. I just never got anybody to pay attention. Right. It's not that he didn't try.

He did try.

JONATHAN HARE: So one of the things that you lack as a chief of staff or a facilitator who does that for you.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Does what?

JONATHAN HARE: Well, so you're an extremely busy person. And what some people have, I have this in my business, is I tell my assistant, I need to talk to Jonathan, my calendar, get it on the calendar. And it's her job to be incredibly precise.

JONATHAN HARE: First of all, Soli joined the meeting yesterday. Remember Soli? I've been living in her house rent-free for 13 months, right? Okay, that's a way to get her attention.

I'm not fucking paying her. So people, I'm not, don't start to think, here's who needs to pay. It's like, I can't pay my own fucking rent. So the point is, the point is, that was fucking then.

Here we are now, right? Sorry for interrupting. The point is like, everybody's, if you just had somebody do work, it's like, we're, what?

JONATHAN HARE: Sorry, I'm thinking out loud as to why these meetings at Microsoft happen.

JONATHAN HARE: So first of all, we're in a totally different thing. These are the, one of the things about complexity theory, though, is non-linearity. It's one of the seven properties and metrics common to every single self-organized involving system. Unless you have all of them, then you, it doesn't self-organize involved.

One is non-linearity, which is like, okay, things move like nothing. And then you get stuff, and then you get stuff, some threshold, some critical threshold, right? And it fucking explodes, it's nonlinear, right? And that can be good or bad, right?

So the bad shit, you have to have a model to detect and dampen it, otherwise it'll blow up. The good stuff is like, holy shit, the shit went viral and it took off, right? So where we are now is when we did all this stuff. So what was Derek, who's just a mid-level dude, smart guy, he loved our shit, you were there, right?

His boss doesn't have the authority to lead this shit and it's not his job. He doesn't have budget. What did he tell you? He doesn't have budget.

Bill Borden does, but he didn't. They can advocate. We didn't have all the shit where if you just have people, these guys are so busy, they think they know everything or they probably never Read the shit. And if you just give them one pagers, there's not enough there.

Right? So it's like, now we got it. So, anyways, it's like, it's all here. What we have, we're launching it.

It's nothing. Shopping this to fucking everybody, Greg, whatever the fuck. And then, hey, and by the way, now we have something, what's in it for you personally, right? I'm actually working on an email.

I'm going to do a follow-up to these guys and please don't give me any advice on how to do it because I want you to follow up on your own because people have different styles. Here's some excerpts from, do you look at this one by the way?

JONATHAN HARE: The patent, yes.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, so this is the AI one, right? It's like here's, if you just Read like the field of the invention, right? You learn a fuck ton, right? This frames the problem, right?

There are four issues and then here's, there's the, I did a sort of replay of how the overall system works, right? And then I was like, okay, here's a bunch of things to make all that work, blah. It's unbelievably good stuff, by the way. It's fucking gold.

And this is so much IP sitting here. It's like, it's all there. Now what I do over here, it's like, let's get a few quotes. Because when I did those things, here's just some excerpts.

Here are the fundamental fault lines. Costs, economic market, so capital intensive. How do you sustain all this shit? When it's like the people have done analyses that they're investing a trillion dollars.

The average expected value of these GPUs is about four years. Because just the pace of acceleration, the energy costs are so fucking high and they're getting so much fish more, whatever the fuck these things deteriorate rapidly. So everybody's just like investing in Cisco's like, okay, we, all they're doing is like less invest in shit. If we invest in GPUs, you can build more models.

But then the problem is, guess what? You have to, their current model is you have to control the data, the compute, you have to own all this shit. So you either have to license it, buy it or build it or steal it. Then you have to do the compute.

You have, and since you went with proprietary, even llama is going to proprietary again. It's the only way they can figure out how to monetize this shit. That means you have to charge your costs. So if your costs are like 50 or excuse me, a 20 times higher than your revenue, that's a problem.

And by the way, it won't work in healthcare, most other domains. Anyway, so that's one. Then there's a disruption. By the way.

So the only thing that actually will make this work economically is if Replace human labor. Businesses will pay for that. Who are your customers now? Why did Ford triple the payments to his workforce?

If people can't afford to buy cars, why make them, right? It's a problem. And the third, and this is where I got the quotes from Satya Nadella, which I'll show you. It's like, hey, the inability, whatever.

So then there's compliance and safety. So I pulled some, and what I did is I just have it here. It's not that fucking long. I just put it in line.

Here's what Satya says, right? So it's like, hey, so anyways, I'll actually do this since it's so short, right? Everybody agrees that AI lives in deeply personal agents, blah, blah. You need expert companions to know everything about it.

This is what Bill Gates says, like, why would you ever Google anything again? Why would you ever shop at Amazon? Your agent will do everything. They can't.

How do you access and validate all your real-world data? How do you operate across all the institutions and systems you need to be interacting with, right? How do you enforce your preferences across all these apps devices organizations. How do you personalize without violating privacy regulatory law?

How do you combine data across all these different organizational and jurisdictional boundaries? If you're getting shit from China, you're crossing jurisdictions and you depend on that data. What? How do you guarantee safe lawful policy line data use?

How do you get reproducible audible decisions? So if it does something fucked up, you can deal with it and understand it. How do you protect? They have nothing to do this.

They really don't. Right. So it's it's a fun and fundamental thing. And it's like, what does Satya Nadella say it?

He says, and this came from that, that thing I shared with you, the Darkesh podcast thing actually got the actual text. He had takes a problem, unusual clarity before anyone can credibly speak of birthing a new species. So you're talking about how do we get to AGI or artificial superintelligence before you can even talk about that. You have to have real trust, whether it's personal or societal, it has to be baked in.

That's a hard problem. And the barrier, he explains, not merely, lack of alignment technologies or regulatory frameworks, but the absence of the underlying legal technical subject capable of supporting responsibility, rights, liability, and where more tools now have agent-like autonomous behavior. So as he put it, this is a direct quote, the one biggest rate limiter to the power here will be how our legal infrastructure evolves. The entire world is constructed with humans owning property, having rights, and being liable.

If humans are going to delegate more authority to these things, then how does that structure evolve until that gets resolved, tech capability alone won't matter. Right? He doesn't have a solution to that shit. And he's thinking the legal system has to evolve.

We're able to work with the existing legal system and existing legal, with nothing changed, we solve this problem. By the way, currently, society literally cannot deploy powerful AI systems at scale because every action ultimately requires a human guarantor. He said, this is a quote, you cannot deploy these intelligence unless and until there's a someone indemnifying it as a human. No society will accept someone saying AI did that.

So that's the first thing he did, which we completely solve, right? Then the other one, by the way, is like, by the way, this is the alignment and stuff. So even if the business model and economic disruption, like everybody's employed, blah, were solved, even if privacy-driven personalization were possible, we're still left with a crisis that closes them all. No one can guarantee that advanced AI systems will remain aligned with or under meaningful human control.

The people leading this technical revolution know this better than anyone. Geoffrey Hinton, who's like the godfather of AI, told the world he invented fucking neural networks. After leaving Google, he said, it's hard to see how we prevent these systems from taking control. Yascha Benigo, who was one of his colleagues, also won the Turing Award.

And the other godfather of deep learning, who's like a student or something, warned, we do not know how to align future AI systems with human values. Closed, the risk of catastrophic misuse or loss of control is real, very real. Sam Altman said, we need a break in alignment. We don't have it yet.

Dennis Habibi, who's the co-founder or CEO of Google DeepMind, that's going to kick by way fucking Microsoft's ass, right? They invented this shit. We are building increasingly powerful systems. We don't know how to control, how to keep them safe.

Satya Nadella, there's no global alignment architecture for AI. We need one. Now I've solved this completely right so nobody thinks we have a solution and by the way once a how do we treat monkeys how do we even treat other human beings right so if we give birth this newspaper and by the way how do like teenagers treat their fucking parents so we're doing all this gender day or trying to invent AGI our personal intelligence like you expect them to take care of us why they don't need us right what if they just start proliferating like every other species do. We have robots all over the place.

They cut down all the forests because they don't need air. It's a serious fucking problem.

JONATHAN HARE: I know you don't want to hear from me. My question is, what group can get started on this organically on their own? I suggested college students the other day.

JEFF WEISS: No, literally everybody on the planet. You tell me. You answer this question.

JONATHAN HARE: No, I know anyone can do it. Who couldn't? People who are employees of the Department of Defense or defense contractors or Microsoft or matter people who are afraid to break rules. No.

JEFF WEISS: This is what I'm saying.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And to have to what people who have to color inside the lines.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay. That's why I'm saying it's like, what I want you to get? First of all, Read this stuff and send it to your compliance people. That's what I'm talking to Jerry about.

No, Read the fucking shit before you make a judgment. So you're saying, so you're assuming so first of all we've already can do it we're doing it's like you don't have to do anything with sorry for getting animated because people what I'm saying I understand you can Read it I'm saying human psychology is people don't send stuff to their compliance people I'm asking to do it's like I want them to review this shit so first of all what you just made is complete bullshit I know that everybody's afraid of their own shadow which is a problem we're solving so one of the fundamental issues that What did Satya Nadella say?

JONATHAN HARE: I Read that. What I'm saying to you is there must be some group, college students or otherwise, who would think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

JONATHAN HARE: I think they all should. And we're putting that to everybody. This stuff is common to everybody. So whatever the fuck.

So you're saying we need to pick one in and focus on that. Now let's start chasing college students. Is that what you're going to say?

JONATHAN HARE: Or health care professionals or You've been doing that for 15 years. I know that.

JONATHAN HARE: What you need to do is listen to some of the stuff and Read some of the stuff. Let me walk through this. You should Read it because I did it. I had a strategy B.

First of all, there's a number of things. What I included in this email was like, hey, you can review this if you want. By the way, as an aside, talk to Naren. We're moving along with, you remember Naren Nath?

Have you met Naren?

JONATHAN HARE: I remember that name.

JONATHAN HARE: He's the guy that actually wrote that email, which I'll copy to the shit, that sent it to Satya Nadella mentioning us. And he said, he just got a mention of us and who we were talking to. Remember all that shit, right? Yeah.

Satya Nadella said, okay, this is great. He hooked him up with Bill Borden and said, they're talking to the right people.

JONATHAN HARE: But remind me or tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think Bill Borden gave you the time of day.

JONATHAN HARE: For fuck's sake, I'm telling you, it's what he did. It's like, Naren, what's going on? You Read the stuff. It's like, yes, we got, they're doing their, they caught their joint, go to market.

They're doing all this stuff. And he said, okay, billboard said, wait, I will fall up with fucking Satya fucking Nadella. When you hit these milestones, which are going to hit sometime in January, February, whatever else they're moving on the shit, he will kick it up to Satya fucking Nadella. I said, Hey, what we want by the way, Naren is get this shit in front of Satya Nadella because whatever.

JONATHAN HARE: So it's going to get there. But it's, is it a correct statement? That he never looked, he never responded effectively. Whose fault is that?

JONATHAN HARE: I don't know. So how's that relevant? Why do you keep on looking back? Sorry for getting animated.

But the point is, what happened is you reached out when we had this connection, when Naren, who by the way is all about his shit, his most valuable asset is a relation with Satya, right? He mentioned us because he thought it could help him, which it did, right? Our shit is, much more strategic of the site. You're doing a favor.

Somebody's got some rinky-dink little app company of which they've got thousands. What is that? Anyways, whatever the fuck. So when he, when Satya reached out to Bill Borden, he didn't mention us at all.

Bill Borden never heard his name. I told you told fucking Lee, but you didn't mention Fania. So since he'd never heard of Fania, he was unable to connect the dots who then Lee said, I guess they were making it up or something because you didn't, you didn't reach out. To me to get the context, but the message, the dots didn't connect.

That's why water on their bridge. It really fucking sucks. It's like, God fucking damn it. Or I'm trying to connect dots here.

If you don't connect the dots, they're going to say, they just like whatever. Somebody like he didn't. That's why that happened. Does that make sense?

That's why that. So therefore, since that's in history, why are we talking about it? Why are we trying to cure that disease, that problem that you made by not giving them the context, not running it behind me? Because you didn't know.

You probably just assumed, of course, Naren mentioned he took his most valuable content.

JONATHAN HARE: I was told that what I was selling to Lee and Derek was the fact that Borden was already involved in that.

JONATHAN HARE: Yes, he fucking was. But you didn't check with me first. And you assumed that Naren took his most valuable content and mentioned us because that would give me the power. And he's trying to control the power.

He's trying to control access.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. Anyway, it's totally reasonable.

JONATHAN HARE: Wouldn't you do that?

JONATHAN HARE: The fact is there was no Bill Borden involvement in anything whatsoever.

JONATHAN HARE: Right. Okay. Sorry. Sorry for, let me, so let's, can we not talk about history?

It's just not relevant. I'm trying to get you up there. So first of all, the other things we have, so we have, this is an agreement, sorry for getting animated, but when you just bring up, it's a sore subject when you say like, whatever. Okay.

JONATHAN HARE: It's usually what we can agree to be mutual.

JONATHAN HARE: No, but the point is just not talk about the past because I can't fix us. It doesn't matter. The thing is, if you're trying to solve a problem, it's fucking irrelevant. It's water in the bridge.

Why waste fucking time about it? You're trying to solve a problem that can't be solved.

JONATHAN HARE: It's history. I'm on board.

JONATHAN HARE: I'm going to send it. Here's what we have in here. We have, and sorry, I'll just walk you through what's here because you keep on making the reason I work really hard. I really understand all this shit.

It's hard to get people to fucking pay attention when they start doing stuff with that understanding shit, they make assumptions which are erroneous, and it doesn't work out well. So this is the actual agreement, or it's got a very long agreement, which is, which is, you need to have, by the way, explaining all sorts of stuff, because this is actually a living fucking document. It's got rights, it creates a quantum privacy LLC.

JONATHAN HARE: This is an individual's agreement, quantum privacy cell participation.

JONATHAN HARE: No, it can be anything. You can be a person in entity, you could be a fucking device. So, the way quantum, the way Delaware series LLCs work, it's all in here, by the way, not that you have to Read it all, right?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My point to you is this is 60 pages, so it's not a consumer agreement, it's a business agreement.

JONATHAN HARE: And you expect businesses to Read it in red line. One of the things in our design is nobody needs to Read this. So if you were to click on some page at Yahoo and access it, if the terms of service or privacy policies agreed to never having Read them, right? References creating a privacy network and what it would do for you.

And then behind the scenes, we are able to legally create a separate legal entity, a Delaware Series LLC, right? Which is separate ring fenced legal entity. For it to do that, it gives you the ability to own property, It eliminates liability. It's a limited liability corporation.

So it's only liable for what you put in it. It was fucking free, so there's no liability. You can enter into contracts, but for it to have those rights or those benefits, you have to do books and records. What do you do?

Your own books and records. You have to have audit trails and you have to do KYC, AML for whoever the responsible party is. Who the responsible party is? Fucking I am and other people until they sign off.

Now you can create a trillion dollars You don't have to file it with the state. It could be completely anonymous. You create, they call them series. And other jurisdictions, they call them cells, by the way, in fucking Jersey.

The fuck, there's all the tax shelter jurisdictions have these fucking things. Delaware's happened to be free. So you could create a hundred trillion of them. But all you have to do is just make log entries.

You have to have amended rights. It's an operating, whatever the fuck it is. So it's all fucking automatic. So what?

And I have a whole thing in here, by the way, which rich already says like, okay, they don't have to Read it. If they click, it goes, it's in the patent. If you click on something and then that creates, that authorizes a privacy, personal privacy network, which authorizes the creation of a quantum privacy cell, which is your legal agent. It's your agent.

It's delegated your rights to that. It doesn't have a separate existence from you. It's able to do shit on your behalf and it do shit on your path. Even if you don't, don't know it exists or control it.

Does that make sense? And so at the end of the day, you'll never have to Read this shit. I actually asked Chad, he's like, gosh, it seems like we should add some mention of this quantum privacy LLC thing in the fucking term service. No, you don't need to have to do that.

It would actually be a bad idea. Does that make sense? Now, what we're here is you can have one of these things, right? We don't even have the network.

So I have an idea. So anyways, I digress. So go back over here. So it's a really detailed agreement.

It's like, fine, have your fucking lawyers Read this shit. Here's our analysis of it, right? Here's how we reward people. Because right now what we're doing is like, hey, what this really does is you can own things.

We'll have this whole token ecosystem. It's like, now the thing is called deferred. Well, I'll just go through some of this quietly. Say, hey, actually, no, I'll just go through the, well, whatever.

So there's a bunch of shit. What are the ethical principles? How is it defensible? How do we do it by every fucking rule, right?

What's the public benefits? There's a whole bunch of shit in here that explains all this stuff, right? Then I have another version, which I showed you first. Oops, where is it?

Where is it? Do you see the council opinion? Yeah. This is just a summary of that, right?

And it's like, okay, what is it? This is this legal opinion. And if somebody reads this fucking shit, which I want the compliance people at Milliman my whatever everybody to do. OK.

Participation in the quantum privacy network. Passive participation. Passive participation. You don't even know it exists.

Active enforcement. Countersigning participation is safe and professional from a legal compliance perspective. Quantum privacy cells create no economic interest prior to activation and activation cannot occur until the system completes, till the system exists. Sometime in the future we'll build this shit.

It will do conflict screening. It will do jurisdictional evaluation. It will automatically convert any restricted rights. If you have some conflict of interest some source, it'll just be reassigned to public benefit derivative rights and save the fucking planet or take care of health care do whatever.

Persistence do not acquire any prohibited financial interest gift compensation or outside employment. The countersigning the part of this participation does not expose individuals to liability instead of the name if they want to. We've gripped them to the entire planet options. You can start accumulating rights.

Why we do that? It's not. There's no selective benefit. Everybody in the planet, every organization has this.

You didn't steal some corporate opportunity. Everybody has it right now. If you sign it now, it's guess what? It's the people have it.

It's trade secret. You both parties. You'll never disclose this to anybody. Right.

There's all these fucking protections. It'll be impossible legally or technically to ever discover who actually has one of these motherfuckers. You can sign. Your own election saying hey if I had one of these things which I wouldn't know about if I could know I couldn't tell it's neither confirm nor buy or I literally don't fucking know maybe they created for high value people we just fucking create it for right you can do some shit right and it's like yeah but I'm going to allocate all the conflicted stuff I'm going to go to the company or to this public benefit trust or whatever you can sign that productively but you're not allowed to sign anyways so that we can so but if you do sign it there's some elections you can agree to that you can sign.

Automatically you can say, I want to redirect conflicted stuff to public benefit trust. You can define how you want to handle compliance. You can get participants. You can create private accelerators or create your own public benefit trust.

It's self-organized. We didn't say we're going to come up with all these things. You can collaborate team. You can set up what are called inner QPC agreements.

So through this thing, you all have QPCs. You can say, okay, well, let's form a new startup, a new accelerator. Here's how we give it up. Any contract you want.

All under NDA. You aren't, if you use this contract, you can never disclose it. Anybody, nobody can disclose it, but they're binding legal contracts that when the network is activated two years from now, or whenever it gets there, it might be your, who knows. It's not that fucking hard.

If you get the resource bind, it's like suddenly you get all these tokens, right? So all these sorts of stuff, but you don't have to do it now in here, by the way, actually go back to the other one. I have a whole exhibit, for example, on, well, actually I have another one about different types.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay, so this is, you've convinced me it's a straightforward agreement, but because it's long and complicated, the only one who's gonna Read it is a corporate lawyer.

JONATHAN HARE: Fine, whatever, or that's why I said, hey, I have a summary for you, right? What does it say at the end? It's like, what does it say at the bottom? It's like, okay, This is written by ChatGP.

Listen, this is an opinion style memorandum prepared by ChatGP, acting in the capacity of an independent third-party analytical council reviewing the language structure, legal posture, all this shit. It Read all this shit. It's really good at this shit. And since this agreement, I've been doing legal shit for it.

It's fucking bulletproof. The reason it's long is you have to cover every contingency for every category of player, including government officials.

JONATHAN HARE: I don't care if Skadden Orbs wrote it or ChatGPT wrote it.

JONATHAN HARE: No, this is their opinion. If you disagree, legal counsel, Read it yourself and tell me we got it right. First of all, it's not wrong, right? We want the review.

It doesn't matter.

JONATHAN HARE: It's a tens of thousands of dollar activity for any corporation to have someone Read it.

JONATHAN HARE: Then they don't have to fucking Read it. Are you not listening? So here's the thing.

JONATHAN HARE: No, you're not listening. Zero people are allowed to sign it until their lawyer tells them.

JONATHAN HARE: They don't need to. You're missing a whole point, right? So if you go to the agreement that you're missing some really fundamental things, I'm not blaming you because it's not obvious, which is why we have a patent on it. This is a huge innovation.

So, where the hell is the stupidity here? So, you come in here, this is an individual one, and say, okay, what are the options? There's a bunch of shit we have to do. So, you can literally enforce.

If you put everything in the agreement, when the whole thing emerges, okay, these policies that both parties agreed to, now we just enforce them. Nobody will ever see we're going to automatically enforce all this shit in the privacy zone, right?

JONATHAN HARE: I'm at the point that I have to go time-wise.

JONATHAN HARE: But the thing is, Nobody fucking needs to sign it. There are three categories. One is manager originated. We're not even going to tell you don't know it exists.

Another one is we can tell you, or you might request it, but it's confidential. Nobody knows it. So it's like, yeah, you get all the rights. If you don't activate it, you can't set your own terms.

That's all. So you don't need to do it. You can get all this benefit. Why?

Gosh. So if you're a government official, probably just take the free version. We've given to everybody. If you do these things that benefit the world, it will save you.

Sweep the shit that benefits you. So if Microsoft does a contract and pays it, that's a conflict. But if they just spread the word, what if you were to send this to your counsel? If somebody sends it to their fucking counsel, that'll be worth fuck tons of money to them.

What if you get it to Satya fucking Nadella? What if you just follow up with Bill Borden and connect these fucking dots for us? Then he benefits or fucking you benefit if you get him to fucking do it. Then not Naren.

I was like, Naren, it's a race. Because at the end of the day, we need to make some progress. But if you get up to the Satya level or something like it's going to go large, right? And they were supposed to be reviewing this shit.

That's what Satya, I think, he hasn't thought about this for one second last year. But when he said this thing, he was assuming, whatever. So does that make sense? And by the way, the other thing is, if you want to coordinate other people point is what probably something like what if you have customers like microsoft everybody's a customer can you work with them can you share all your confidentiality can you coordinate things how do you do work with everybody it's really hard to our it's impossible which is why they're dysfunctional we solve that now the thing is once they people what reason I'm talking to jerry stegmaier he knows the chief privacy officer of every major technology company google meta fucking all of them and I can he always a point it's like now Jerry you benefit spread the fucking word you will benefit from this and we're going to create a proof trust exceller get all those compliance people and the audit firms and the legal firms like you individual partners if you spread the word there's something you can contribute you'll make fucking billions of dollars rather than just annoying people by saying no all the time which is all they do right now it's a shitty job so if someone comes in not just with money but with interest, if they really, after spending some time with you, what they're going to say is, this is my word, I need to not only invest in this, I need to company-ify it.

JEFF WEISS: I need to give it the money and the people to make it able to become a company. Are you game for that or are you just assuming it's already?

JONATHAN HARE: First of all, these quantum privacy cells, they are separate companies. They can issue safe notes or any type of They can raise money the old-fashioned way. The tokens we issue are contribution rewards, not investments to avoid securities bullshit, right? But it's like nobody said you can't raise.

If you have a cell or you form a network, you can create anything you want. You want to create an accelerator of your own? Great. Do whatever the fuck you want.

Partner with five people. You want to raise money?

JONATHAN HARE: So you're only looking for business partners. You're not looking for $5 or $50 million of investment into the company?

JONATHAN HARE: No. We're looking for everything. So if you look in here, you go into Exhibit A, right? Which of course, some people actually have Read.

Get in here, these are all, where's Exhibit A This is other signatures, blah, blah. Okay, here's Exhibit A, right? And then you say, okay, what are the things you can actually do, right? How do we know who you are?

These are the different options, participant directed, blah, blah. Then these are things like, make an introduction or engagement, send an email, text message, other communication, whoever, somebody we might wanna reach, right? Just send it. Then, okay, what if they actually, what if they respond?

How do if it mattered, right? Or what if you copied on it and you amplify it, you endorse it? You didn't send it, but you amplified it. And then what if they respond to you?

What if they respond to you and they didn't to me? You just earned some fucking points, right? Then what if somebody responds and says something? Fucking points.

How do you tell the difference between a good interview, it's like, did they respond? And then, did you get a meeting scheduled or conducted? What if Derek actually scheduled a meeting with them?

JONATHAN HARE: So you're trying to gamify the process. Literally, yes.

JONATHAN HARE: We're worried that this is what's valuable. And over time, so these are just, have a meeting. Is the meeting worth something? Not unless it turns into a deal someday, right?

Or contribute it. Did somebody create a presentation, proposal, or demonstration to deliver it? It doesn't have to be us. It could be somebody else delivering their shit.

What? It's like, yeah, but is it part of one of these accelerators? Do they make a referral to somebody else? That's worth something, right?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Did you find a partnership strategy?

JONATHAN HARE: Did you get them to join as an EP3 fellow? Did you get an MOU?

JONATHAN HARE: I'm going to try over the next week to talk to Derek.

JONATHAN HARE: I'm going to give him two days Read what you send and I'm just going to invite a conversation with them yeah that's what you should do I just want to get you this kind you should Read this shit so you understand it otherwise you'll just mislead it by the way and by the way one of them is hey did you participate join and accelerate we're doing it like other people and then or by did they did the customer join blah and down here and fucking invest right and by the way fuck investment it's like what are things that would be useful to us well no nobody fucks It's a term she drafted.

JONATHAN HARE: That's progress because what?

JEFF WEISS: We're creating a frontier. Do they commit it?

JONATHAN HARE: They close an investment for us or any of these fucking accelerators.

JONATHAN HARE: If they invest in accelerator, it's non diluted financing for us. If they invest in us, it's non diluted financing for everybody else. We're crowdsourcing the whole fucking thing. And what, I talked to, I talked to, Peter knows about because he's got all these fucking things on those people's like here's the deal.

We you with your deal with Palm Global Palm Pro also the shit and you got stature. I need stature. I need to drive people to somebody. You can get better for the stuff.

Make intros together. And then what if we steer most like, guess what? We're going to create a new.

JONATHAN HARE: I think I hear where you are. Let me do a little bit of reading and I'm going to suggest to Derek. I'm going to see if I can if he'll take a call on Monday.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. And the key thing is, If they know, it's like, all we want to do is follow Bill Borden or just do a little research, look at it, circulate it around, because that reviewing it, he can get people to Read shit. Get some fucking minion. Somebody Read this shit.

You want me to just like guess? Because Sotya fucking Adele will find out sooner or later. Esther Dyson fucking knows him. And I'm getting ready to send this.

I know fucking everybody I've held up for the longest time. Because I knew we weren't ready. I said, maybe through good relationships we could get there. We tried it that way, which is really labor intensive.

And it kind of worked, but not really. It didn't fucking turn into shit. Now people are worried.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:00:04 - Conference Room (Jonathan Hare) - Speaker 2 We got there, but we blew it with Derek and Lee last year.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:00:07 - Conference Room (Jonathan Hare) - Speaker 1 No, they fucking dropped the fucking ball because the problem we just solved. They work for a big company. They don't have the authority. It's hard to understand.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:00:15 - Conference Room (Jonathan Hare) - Speaker 2 They dropped the ball because they wondered who they would meet with other Fuck that, they didn't need to.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:00:22 - Conference Room (Jonathan Hare) - Speaker 1 I'm the fucking guy that, me and Rich, whatever the fuck, that's bullshit, don't say that. Whatever the fucking bullshit, it's all here. Read it, that's why I call it quantum fine and medicine. I've been working on this for fucking years, it's beautiful.

It's fucking beautiful and it didn't have a thousand people that have inventions like this. It never works that way. They need to be reading this shit, it's right here by the way, but we're shopping it. You get to Citibank, you get to Accenture, you get to McKinsey, anybody big, we got everybody else and we no longer need these motherfuckers.

So the point is act now, fucking spread the word. It's fucking easy. And if you don't, it will be known because it's going to be in the movie. That fucking meeting we had with Microsoft will be in the movie.

And people ask, they'll go for the rest of life. Holy fuck is the biggest mistake my entire life. If I just put a little more energy and inside, what the fuck we gave them a year's head start and they didn't act on it. So, yeah, thank you.

Head start. He's going to be pissed.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:18 - JPW Bye.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:19 - Unidentified Speaker Right. Thanks. Thanks.