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Peggy Hamburg: a drink at the Aspen bar, and three hours at the FDA

Met at the Aspen Health VIP bar c. 2009, before knowing who she was; her food-safety emergency became the FDA meeting where Eric Haseltine said RNS was the only viable approach he had seen

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The bar (S-192). At the Aspen Health Summit — Jonathan Hare believes 2009 — he introduced himself to a woman at the VIP lounge where speakers check in, not knowing who she was, 'because I thought she was very attractive for the Aspen speaker circuit,' and they had a nice drink. Deepak Chopra came and sat with them, also unrecognized. She was Margaret Hamburg, and she was there to speak about food supply-chain safety in an emergency — Hare's recollection of 'Chinese dairy or pet food' poisoning children or puppies matches the documented melamine crises of 2007 (pet food) and 2008 (infant formula), both real.

The meeting. After her talk Hare told her that Eric Haseltine — formerly CTO to the Director of National Intelligence — was on his board and chief scientist of Resilient Network Systems, and that the Trust Network could uniquely solve the food supply-chain problem, and any supply-chain problem. She asked for a three-way meeting at her FDA offices in Washington, which happened a couple of months later and ran three hours: Hamburg, Hare, Haseltine, and Vicki Seyfert-Margolis, her chief innovation and science advisor. It turned out Hamburg already knew the whole Haseltine family — she simply had no way to reach Eric after he left the ODNI. She quizzed him on how the intelligence community shared data across agencies, and on how to satisfy Francis Collins's request that the FDA share data with the NIH when all her technical and compliance people said it couldn't be done. Eric's answer: the intelligence community could barely share data within a single agency, let alone across agencies or with coalition partners in Afghanistan — and Resilient Network Systems was the only company he had seen with a viable approach. Seyfert-Margolis was assigned to lead an FDA-wide pilot.

Public record, one line: FDA commissioner 2009–2015, New York City health commissioner before that. The rest is left to the email archive and to her.

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Washington, c. 2009–10

Three hours at the FDA

Hamburg, Haseltine, Seyfert-Margolis, Hare. The Collins question — make the FDA share data with the NIH when everyone says it can't be done — and Haseltine's answer: the intelligence community can barely share within one agency; this is the only company I've seen with a viable approach.

Hare's accountAuthor's direct narrative — source record S-192
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the three-hour meeting

Eric Haseltine, formerly of the ODNI, put five doctorates in one room to break it

Chief scientist, and five doctorates in one room

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her advisor; the pilot lead

Vicki Seyfert-Margolis carried the pilot — the FDA's innovation scientist

Hamburg's senior advisor for science innovation and policy; assigned the FDA-wide pilot; later a patient-data founder

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'the only viable approach'

Resilient Network Systems: Esther Dyson, the ODNI, and the IRS deployment

The trust network, and the intelligence years

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the data-sharing request

Francis Collins led the genome and then the NIH — and asked the FDA a question this record answers

Human Genome Project director; NIH director 2009–21; The Language of God on the consilience shelf; the data-sharing request of the Hamburg meeting

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the bar

Deepak Chopra sat down with us at the Aspen bar — and I didn't recognize him

The keynote speaker who reminded Hare of a dozen gurus from the ashram days

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the same summit

Mark B. McClellan, whom I know well — Brookings, then Duke-Margolis, and many meetings since

FDA commissioner and CMS administrator in the 2000s; Brookings; founding director of the Duke-Margolis Center — met at Aspen Health c. 2009, and many times since with Jack Lewin

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commissioner, 2009–15

The FDA: the agency the Trust Network kept walking into

Hamburg's meeting and the Seyfert-Margolis pilot; commissioners Califf, Gottlieb, Woodcock, McClellan; the division chiefs of CDER, CDRH and CBER

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