Zoom session — Lokahi Strategy & Catalyst Contribution Graphs (June 3, 2026)

Transcript Node: Lokahi Strategy & Catalyst Contribution Graphs (June 3, 2026)

Date Recorded: Wednesday, June 3, 2026

Context: This conversation takes place immediately following Jonathan Hare's six-month 'Einstein Mode' period of total social isolation. Having finalized 2,091 patent claims to secure the Quantum Privacy Network (QPN) architecture under absolute novelty laws, Jonathan emerges to reconnect with his core team. The dialogue reflects the intense, high-energy process of re-wiring his brain to translate a mathematically dense, multi-dimensional mental model into linear speech for partners who lack the isolated context. The transcript has been programmatically polished to remove filler words, verbal stutters, and run-on artifacts, breaking giant blocks into readable paragraphs while carefully preserving the underlying meaning and raw emotion.

Meeting Participants & Relationships

• Jonathan Hare: Architect of the QPN, explaining the six cascades and the philosophical underpinning of the network.

• Rich Muth: Core technical collaborator building the agentic services and UI/UX.

• Marsali Hancock: Consilient Angel leading the Faith & Tradition cascade.

• Olchi Skant: Consilient Angel providing design and UX expertise.

• Marc Singer & Thomas Tauzin: Strategic partners involved in capital and ecosystem outreach.

Executive Summary

- Translating the Architecture: Jonathan explains the necessity of translating dense, mathematically rigorous patents into human-centric governance through 'Consilient Angels'.

- The Six Cascades: The group discusses the independent cascades (Enterprise, Grassroots, Sovereign, Investment, Pool-first, and Faith) that trigger the 99.93% probability of global adoption.

- Faith & Tradition Integration: Marsali Hancock details the engagement with global religious leaders (including the Pope and LDS church) to embed ethical AI principles.

- Gamifying the Catalyst: The session covers the exact mechanics of recording outreach via email (CC/BCC to QPN Catalyst) to build the contribution graph and distribute ecosystem wealth.

Polished Complete Transcript

Lokahi and the Art & Science of Catalyst Contribution Graphs, for love, wealth, and good for the world. Wed, Jun 3, 2026

JONATHAN HARE: And by the way, I'm going to do is a lot of people won't show up for the first 15 minutes. They'll straggle in. So I'll find some stuff to cover. The main topic is this one.

Because people don't understand anything about, why is this not? Okay. They don't understand anything about this, right? So like, hey, here's how it works.

Use. Hadera as an example. By the way, here's what you can earn. What does it take?

Fucking send an email to somebody who sends an email to somebody, and get like your share of, it's like, okay, here, what?

RICH MUTH: If you notice, out of interest, so as you're speaking, at the bottom of my screen, it's actually saying, yeah, I know.

JONATHAN HARE: Some feature that I don't even know how it does it. I wish it would go away, but it's yeah, the whole thing gets recorded. They show it at the bottom. So somebody could tell me how to turn the stupid thing off.

I would appreciate it. Anyways.

OLCHI SKANT: Well, I did notice that.

JONATHAN HARE: There's my sweetie. There's Olchi. You remember her. She was, what years were you?

Kinselian. I forget. Anyways, long time ago.

JONATHAN HARE: What decades?

JONATHAN HARE: What decade, yeah.

RICH MUTH: What millennia?

JONATHAN HARE: I know. And one of these, I'm calling them Jonathan's Angels, like Charlie's Angels. And when I was got, I was like, I was five years off. It was really embarrassing.

No, it was this like, no, I'm pretty sure it was like 2017. It's like, really?

OLCHI SKANT: We're always here to guard you, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: I know. Let's see. Who else do we have? Thomas, how are you doing, baby?

I'm doing.

THOMAS TAUZIN: Hurry up.

JONATHAN HARE: Good, doing really well. And by the way, Rich is working on the AI Gentic service because first thing that I was rude to Thomas because there's very few people I even pick up a phone for or try to call me, and he was one of them. And I lost about five minutes before I started swearing. Because I need to get this stuff done.

First thing you do is took all the, you took the documents I sent and threw them in cloud and he came back with some stuff that avoids, annoys you, Rich. A bunch of garbage. Hey, come up with an agentic layer that anybody can plug in and analyze all the stuff where it doesn't mess it up. It's really hard work, but Anthropic and McKinsey, they have giant teams that do this stuff.

It's like, I want peer review. You can take our anyway. So we've got a lot going on. So you're clear, Jonathan, it's it's I don't care what you're doing, that's what we're gonna get.

But the point is, he's getting this start where it's possible to plug in and do your own thing.

RICH MUTH: Right, so there's there's the data, which is all the documents, right? Yeah, and then super prompt and all that stuff is kind of like the control plane, right? That's how I view the world, right? So I'm putting the control plane in a set of skills, but you've got the data plane which you can query, right?

The control plane kind of makes it into sense, kind of what I should do.

JONATHAN HARE: And by the way, since Olchi's here, she'll be one person. By the way, she's kind of shy and doesn't, like, why do I need to be here? But, anyways, she was my girlfriend for the last 20 years. Describe what you did for the 20 years.

She's a UI interaction design blah, for 20 years for all these companies. Okay, what we need to do? And she's really sweet, and I can talk to her, and she never frustrates me. Well, maybe she does, but I don't yell at her ever, and vice versa.

So like, okay, we need to make this accessible. So Rich has all the content, or actually, not all of it, but a lot of it up organized by, is it patents? What are the patents? Or, if you want to look for the technology, what's the whole ecosystem?

Investor, blah. Blah. But it's like, hey, this needs to be accessible by anybody, anywhere. We don't know how the graph is going to grow, right?

How do you make it accessible and understandable to people who don't understand any of this? It could be any random person, and most of them will be totally ignorant of everything we're doing, but you still have to get through it and figure out, all you have to do is get to QPN Catalyst, click here. And then what we're work on is like, hey, here's all the blog posts or press releases, fill in the blanks. If you click this, $50 billion, you can do it in five minutes.

And what you should do is hit your entire mailing list. If you love them, if you like money, they'll be pissed if you don't. This is all true, but the point is, don't make them have to understand anything, right? And that's the navigation.

So that's a design thing. That's what Olchi does, right? It's like, okay, I don't want to talk to everybody else. I don't want to hear anybody's ideas or suggestions about how to do this stuff.

Unless you've read everything. Meanwhile, we're getting the distribution of hyper-viral distribution stuff working, right? Hey, Marsali.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Hi, so glad to see you, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: I know. I've spent a lot of time with Marsali over the last few weeks, haven't I?

MARSALI HANCOCK: Yes, it's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure. So, anyway, I'll put you on mute. And are you recording this?

This?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, don't worry. It's I'm not going to broadcast it to anybody. It's some people won't make it and they want to see it. So, this is not for public stuff, unless you guys want to put it in your memoirs or something, because you will.

MARSALI HANCOCK: I will. I'll then say, I knew Jonathan when he was a young man.

JONATHAN HARE: No, we made this together, but the point is, like, it's like,. Anyways, part of it, by the way, is we need to, any big revolution has some founding narrative, like the American Revolution or Jesus Christ. They all have some narrative that was from a bunch of people. And that's what people have departments and universities studying this stuff.

And what people ignore it, ignore it until it happens. Then everybody's trying to figure out who it is and who to talk to, right? So I said, well, I don't want to be about any of these. There's certain people,.

People I know, right? Whatever. So I actually have a completely thought-out strategy. One of my problems, by the way, is I see everything at once.

You said, nobody knows why I'm saying these texts or whatever.

MARSALI HANCOCK: It's like, it's like they're parables with anecdotes that I've It's hard for the rest of us to get the context, but I know you see how relevant each one is. You don't need to.

JONATHAN HARE: I'm saying I'm doing this to. There, I'm doing something that I can, I see all this stuff. I'm doing like 50 things at once, right? And it's like, when you're done, you'll see it, but when I'm done, it will go viral, be over in no time.

It'll be completely over. I told Jerry Stegmire, everybody knows, he knows all the privacy people and data people at like Google, Microsoft, everywhere. So I said, Hey, dude, because I can't make this time. Dude, do you realize, had you read the documents I sent to you two weeks ago by a text?

You could have locked down $100 billion personally, right? Because nobody knew, right? And I'm not saying it to anybody until it's ready, but had you done that, you could make $100. Are you sure you're not busy?

I'll meet you next week. Really? Go ahead, because this is basically, I'm telling you, I'm saying this is available to you. And if I really hope you do it, but you don't need to, we don't need you, anybody here to do anything.

At all. We can do it all with, so many connections. The reason I'm bringing all my girlfriends is they were, and I get emotional, but they were there the whole journey, the whole time. And they met my best friends all along and they love them more than me.

I know it.

RICH MUTH: Jonathan Wayfield, buddy.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Yeah, they've been supporting you.

JONATHAN HARE: That's why I send that movie with that thing with the Greek. The Greek tennis star, but like, what the hell? He's spamming with all these like things. It's like, somebody brought up her.

I didn't know your mother was like this tennis athlete. And she was smiling, all smiling. And said, How would your mom help people? And she started crying.

No, I'm happy. Nobody ever asked my mom. So anyways, people understand. So that's why I'm not talk to anybody for a while.

I probably never will. It's like other people do my problem. But the point is, my connections are unbelievable. You have no idea.

No idea. Last 10 years has been hell because doing this little stuff with no money. And I haven't talked to my best connections in forever. They're like, guess what?

I got all my girls here. You talk to them about it. They will pay attention. And by the way, I trust women more than men.

I really do. Right? They're better at everything, better at love, better taking care of, more responsible. They are, right?

Never had any power, right? So, guess what? We're going to have the ethical human ground. There has to be some human grounding in this thing.

And I figured out how to do it. Well, let's get all the women together. And then all my girlfriends and friends, they're not all girlfriends, by the way, all these random people that mean something to me or was in the meeting that I'm going to reach out to somebody who's fucking important, right? Excuse my French.

By the way, a little fun fact. Marsali Lee told me I can say fucking shit. Don't take the Lord's name in vain. And I know, and so anybody correct me if I do that.

By was raised Seventh-day Adventists. We couldn't say gosh or gee whiz. All we could say was man alive because gosh, you're saying God. Who you fooling?

Gee whiz, that's Jesus.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Okay, good. It's in there. Right. Go ahead.

I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm trying to get your screen on my big screen so I can read. So I'm.

JONATHAN HARE: So, anyways, I'm doing it for a strategy. Part of it is this is a populist thing, right? And so, it's like, I don't want the big, powerful people front and center in our narrative. We're not doing it for them, right?

And so, there's a way to signal that. It's a messaging thing, and it's a reality thing. We're going to grow a network. So, I get the ability to choose who I put at the root.

Rich and I have a lot of power, especially me. I'm the first quantum privacy cell. Only Rich and I signed it. He took a week because he wanted to review it, making sure.

I'm sure he's a diligent guy, but also, are you going to take all my stock or whatever? He read it very thoroughly before he signed it. Nobody else did. It's like, well, it was all in there.

But the thing is, by, if you want my graph, I have to acknowledge anything if you want to cite me and get my entire graph. It's incredibly valuable. I have to acknowledge it. I tell people, you want to do it?

These girls, Jonathan's. Angels, man, they'll be super Rich.

RICH MUTH: And I'll make you want to do that slide deck. You have the slide deck. Did you want to?

JONATHAN HARE: No, yeah, I want to. Well, I'll do one that I know Marsali cares about because she's always cared, but she wasn't paying much attention for a very long time, right, Marshale?

MARSALI HANCOCK: That's true. I've been playing a lot of violin, teaching a lot of children, having a lot of fun. My life is recess right now.

JONATHAN HARE: Which is good, but she unbelievable networks. If it had to do with children or sex trafficking or anything, she knows everybody. Everybody knows they trust her. I trust her, right?

But, anyways, so let's go. Has anybody read this? So let's go through this one quickly because this is near and dear to her. We have a new.

So, whatever. I'll flash through some stuff. And what I've been doing is banking all these presentations for different audiences to care about different things. These, by the way, are all generated automatically by Anthropic.

I had to edit them, but it emerged. That's like consilient intelligence. I got all the layers, cross-tabbed them. It took thousands of hours to complete this stuff.

And then when you get it right, if you ask it any random thing with that, he said, it generates very high quality stuff. That is general intelligence, but it only works in a consilient environment, which we're creating, right? And that means we empower anybody to do this. It's like, though, literally anybody on the planet, right?

Well, do anybody like Olchi, like, send it to your dad. Her dad is brilliant. He's a freaking engineer. Amazing dude.

And he loves me, by the way. But is that a quick question? Right?

RICH MUTH: When you say consilient environment, is that what you mean to say?

JONATHAN HARE: Yes, absolutely. That's what we're naming. What do you mean by consilient? Well, I'm glad you asked because Rich, by the way, is very busy doing stuff.

So I love him and respect that, but he doesn't read much stuff all of it, anyways. But this one, no, here So there is an announcement: the Papal Insignical. Encyclical is Pope Leo XIV's first papal insignical. He named himself Leo XIV after Leo XIII, who led the Catholic Church through the Industrial Revolution.

So he had teachings about we need to take care of poor people, blah, blah. He's that pope, he named it after a purpose. So his first one, anyway. So there's things along the way.

I'll get. Wilson, my hero named David. There's a big emotional thing here I can't talk about. I'll start crying, but I have whole audio video stuff.

I send it to people. Marsali, did you listen to that thing? Yeah, I did.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Because I'm doing it very much. It helped to fill in the gaps for how you visualize this. If you think atomically or through biology and physics, it was very helpful, Jonathan.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: But it's also a narrative. People can't comprehend this stuff. They understand human narratives and stories and people, right? So he has this thing.

It'll be in here, but it's like, hey, this is a big one. So there's three different things. So Eel Wilson is a secular humanist, my hero. I named conciliant after him so I could get a meme with the guy, right?

And we hit it off and said, let's create a foundation to save the world. And then I got poor. And then I met him at, well, I won't tell the damn story because I'm putting an audio visual. My sister is going to do videos about this stuff.

It's going to go everywhere because that's how I link to the sixth Nobel Lawrence and Harrison Ford. They're on his board. These guys have massive influence. Anyways, so here's Charles III.

He founded when he was Prince Charles, he did something called Terra Carta, which is like, a Magna Carta for the earth. Huge thing, huge thing. Then Leo. Now, when been completing this stuff, by the way, or finishing the patents, two things happened.

It says, all the AI said, you, this is so transformational. Would you like me to draft an outreach thing for Anthropic? Here's the five people: Dario, his wife, the president, the head of the guy. All these people, I will write an outreach package, the emails.

They'll never see it, but the things will get through the AI screens and the EA screens, the three layers of stuff, people intercepting people, which I will have soon. So they never have to talk to a regular person unless it's been validated, right? Then here's a pitch deck. Here's the drill down.

It generated automatically better than any deck I've ever done. It looks like a McKinsey deck, which is like, how boring. But it's like, yeah, you mean, and it's in the tone and language and words they like, and I didn't have to do squat. Yes.

So he has this thing. Now the thing is these guys have all called for it in different decades. Oops. Where is the stupid thing?

And by the way, these are the architects of AI. Jeffrey Hinn won the Nobel Prize because he's invented like neural nets and the first AI. He left Google to say, they're going to kill us. It's hard to see how we prevent these systems from taking control.

And when they take control, why don't they kill us all? Right? All these guys, Dennis Hasebi, we don't know how to keep him safe. Sam Altman, we're screwed.

Satya Nadella, we're screwed. Chris Ola, guess what? The one who walked in with the Pope, in with the Pope. What did he say?

Development is concentrated in a handful of wealthy nations. How do we ensure gains of AI are shared globally? We do not have a mechanism for this. It's an unsolved problem.

He has lots of other quotes, right? He's the conscience of that company. And the greatest marketing event on time when you get all the world's religions and the techies together saying, we're the world. And we're the, guess what?

So, whatever, we already invented this. Prior to them, I didn't know about the encyclical, but the week before that, I finished the thing, got the Nobel summary. And when I did it took like, 20 minutes. Yeah.

Well, anyways, so we shout off. This is very important. So read this stuff or I'll get really pissed. The thing that drives me nuts is like, it's all there.

Look at them, right? Or not, right? So if you look at, by the way, here's this is my, I'm not going to tell right now because like I'll start, whatever. It's in here.

MARSALI HANCOCK: And it's this is super helpful having that timeline and the names listed out when I hear you talk Here's a short history.

JONATHAN HARE: I didn't even put in Evolve or a whole bunch of companies. Right. And so it's like, hey, he publishes Unity of Knowledge. My grandma gives it to me, or you need to read this.

Holy crap. God's name the company can sell it, reach them, let's lie on foundation. Then he publishes creation, an appeal to save life on earth. It's like, hey, science, we could come up with solutions.

Nobody pays attention to us. Nobody believes us. We can't change anybody's favor. These religious people seem to believe in the same stuff, right?

Almost everybody agrees about 80% of what morality is. Everything else is like, who can you sleep with? How do you get married? Who do you think God is?

Blah, blah. Stuff that's personal, right? That should be absolute freedom of choice, right? Or it's not real.

It's like, great. Well, what if he could do what they all want? Anyways, so he wrote a whole book about that. I met with this dude.

Yeah, I met Amogenodet. And he said, You believe in God? No. Well, that's bad.

We're not going to need to fix that. But if he'd been a Christian, at least you believe in something, I can identify with Christians and Jews, but you don't believe in God? No, I believe in saving the world. So he did a freaking tour around the world, meeting all these religious leaders, and then wrote a giant book about it called Creation Appeal to Save Life on Earth.

Right? Then I met him very shortly after at Aspen Health Ideas Festival. I didn't even know he was there. Turns out he was a keynote for the whole first idea thing because talking about creation and pillow sapler, I was cruising down with Bill Joy and, hey, Ed, what the hell?

So we went off and he goes, hey, guess what? Remember that foundation we're talking about? My buddy, a friend of mine funded a foundation, funded the whole thing. And we got all these Nobel Lorts and Jeffrey Sachs and Steven Pinker and like, Harrison Ford on the freaking board.

And like, you should, I'll hook you up. So I got him over there, boom, blah, blah. Then what happened? He won the TED prize, right?

And then he says, I want an encyclopedia for life. I want to record a system that record everything about every species on the world. There's like 10 million of them when like microbial stuff, all their genome, the phenotype expression, everything else. And then what they eat, what eats them, what their values are, all the interdependencies.

Because if you don't understand that, it's a problem. And by the way, one of the things I skip, which is most important when I value with him, is he wrote this whole book. Right? And the mill is like, hey, we have a trans incredible understanding of natural sciences, physics, chemistry.

You can derive chemistry from physics. You really can. Biochemistry from chemistry. Biology, all the way up to the human science, or they call them the, what do you call it?

The human sciences, economics, politics, language, blah, psychology. That's trendy. It comes something special. So it's like all these we understand because they're all interconnected, testable, and we understand it.

Again, in everything else, we no clue. They come with these theories that are grounded in nothing and they're always wrong. It's one change in the environment and it all breaks, right? And it's going to destroy the planet.

We have so much power. We have like this Neolithic culture with like, you Neanderthal brains or far before that. And then now we have superpowers, nuclear weapons, like all this stuff. We will destroy the biosphere that we depend on before we even know.

So there's a moral imperative to get a grand unified theory of everything. Or Willis Roy like, yeah, good thing. I've been working on that my whole life. No problem.

Let's go do it. Right. And then he says, but nobody read this thing. Actually, it was a bestseller, amazing writer.

But it's like, we need to get some like appeal. These religious leaders and cultural leaders, by the way, it can be any scientists or a culture, by the way. It's like a religion. What?

So, anyways, that's what got this thing going. So, they won the TED Prize, and then they had a meeting with Google, right? And I was made chairman of the technical advisory board because only people could be, it was everybody, Larry, Sergei, Anne Wahicke, my old boss or my old mentor, adam Bosworth. Larry Brilliant ran Google, like, what's his name?

Peter Norvig, like the brain trust. Two days, because we had a couple of Nobel Prizes: Jeffrey Sachs, E. O. Wilson, most famous then-living prize winner, and me and my buddy Jay and Charles, right?

And so then he went there, and I'll never forget it. And by the way, I name these people because I'm reaching out to my buddy adam, Bosworth and all these guys. And like, you were, these are your words then, right? And so he said, yeah.

So, what you described, Ed, what you want is impossible, right? He said, when we search some stuff, anyways, he explained how AI works then. It's like, this understands nothing. You want all information, Gina, but like that.

Then think about the privacy issues. It's like, there's no way, absolutely not. Your wish is impossible. I already knew how to do it.

I knew how to do it already. In fact, we already built the consilience initiatives. Here's how you do it, right? And, but Google, the smartest people on the planet had absolutely, and then Peter Norvik, who's a freaking rock star, freaking rock star, Rich.

Is he a rock star, Peter Norvik? Yes, he is. Anyways, so he says, I agree with adam. A couple of people said it'll never be possible, by the way.

I don't know their stupid names. But he says, Yeah, but it'll take 10 to 20 years minimum and a major breakthrough, right? So that was good. I didn't say what it was because going to tell Google, but anyways, and then I said, Hey guys, let's go up to Microsoft.

Let's meet my buddies up there in the head of the research group and the head of the AI and data platforms. And yeah, we won't have no, we won't let's go meet with them. So we did that. Anyways, I'll go through it.

So they're all there because I'm going to reach out to those people, one of them. Right, runs all of AI for Microsoft right now. I know like 15 people at Microsoft that level. Haven't reached out of them, not till we're ready, right?

Big bangs, cascading, like, yeah, to have a chain reaction, you have to be very careful how you design it. And you don't let it go off half-cocked or it peters out. It's like a dirty bomb, right? Anyways, had all that stuff.

Yeah, this is Lily Cheng. That's the one I was talking about. Met her through Esther Dyson. She loves me.

She hadn't talked to me in 10 years, but she loves me. Jim Carnegie Canes, a bunch of you guys know him, he was there, right? And then I had, I'm not say this, I'll start crying. But I'll tell, I went to his last meeting.

He did something called letters to a young scientist. And I saw it with a friend of mine, Heida. I went after him and he said, Listen, Jonathan, I'm gonna die soon. My wife is suffering.

I can't leave boss anymore. I need to hand the baton. Got you, man. I'll never stop.

I said, I know, you want, and I know you'll get there. So, when like people mess with the concealer, yeah. So, guess what? It's now concealing accelerator is a foundation, it's concealing sciences, it's concealing everywhere.

God damn it. So there you go. Anyways, but he passed away, but the mission lives on. And then thank God the Pope comes in.

Other people, after that, everybody's like, we all of them. These, this, anyway, these guys have enormous stuff and I have direct access to these people. But I have to say, anyway, so we get huge, right? And what, if you look in the thing, by the way, like I have, here's one of here's a drill down thing.

So, Terra Carta, right? I have them for all these giant organizations. And by the way, if anybody tells me, like, what they can do for me or and what they need back for it, like, save your breath. Please stay me.

Don't offer me anything because I have like 50 of everything, and it's like, I'm it's, I don't need to hear it. Where was it? Yeah. So, this is like a very large document, Magnifica Humanitas.

Extremely large. By the way, it a lot of help from Anthropic and other people. They had a bunch of very specific requirements, right? And which are very well thought out, but they said, no idea to do this.

It should be done this way. And you have to get the governance and the AI and the safety and humanity at the very beginning. You can't add It'll be too late. What?

And so letting all these things, this is all completely AI generated, by the way. It's like, compared each of these things, right? Where's the alignment? Strong, strong, very strong.

Freedom. These are things that every major religion believes in. There's things they don't believe in. And we say, hey, if it's things, you don't, everybody doesn't agree with it.

You're on your own. People can subscribe to you as a trust if they want to, but it's their conscience. So if you're a Catholic and somebody's gay and they want to do their thing, it's all them. What?

You'll never be able to do them. Absolute freedom of choice, freedom of conscience, freedom of everything. But, you want to take care of poor people, you want to take care of the environment, or you want to do, don't kill thy neighbor, all that sort of stuff. Great.

If everybody agrees, cross-fertilize, and we'll bake this into the quantum genome of the last universal common ancestor, which is these documents. That's the proto-DNA that defines everything from which everything else grows and evolves. Right? Plus, organelles, which I've mapped them, specced them all out.

Rich knows how to build all this crap, right? It's not hard. Could build it. Is really good at building code if it's in a controlled environment and there's some theory behind it.

So our step is easy for AI to build. It will take some human effort, but good thing we're handing out $980 trillion of rewards to do it. I think that will, and like, anyways, so there's all here. Every single thing they talked about nailed every single thing that the Terra Carta, that's called the Standable Markets Initiative, nailed everything that like we nailed all because we got the universal theory that's completely worked out, right?

This and it's like, gosh, how come nobody's stuff, right? Well, maybe I did, anyway, so I digress. Where were we? Now that we've got going, I'll go back to the main one, which is how do you guys participate?

Right. And I'll have to do all my, and by the way, I don't do one-on-ones except for people I love and who are nice, give me head rubs or whatever, because my head hurts. So hard, my head hurts. Do you guys remember?

Hey, they're all right. I met those guys, somebody, Jim Nasr, who haven't talked for years, because he'll never respond to my emails anymore. So. Somebody else will talk to him if he wants to know what's going on.

But, anyways, how do we reach these Hedera people? They're complete rock stars. I can't reach them. Happened to be funded by NEA.

Said, hey, what's his name? Aaron Jacobson. He hooked me up. Up.

Anyways, got in there, met the whole team. I read the white paper. A white paper and a patent. That's all they had.

Anyways, long story short, this is brilliant. And all this lunacy, stupid, like, who are the idiots doing this other blockchain stuff talking about Lamborghinis? That was the unit of measurements for blockchain people, Lambos. It's like, you make me sick to my stomach if that's what you care about.

I want Lamborghinis, fleets of everything. That's what you care about? For the love of God. Sorry, Marsali.

Can I say the love of God? Okay. Anyways, so it's like, here's what's in it for you. Guess what?

We'll borrow your governing council. We need one of them and we'll use yours. And every token issued, settlement, all that stuff, they have all this right now. They need to implement it with this new layer on top, right?

And guess what? If you transform yourself from being a commodity DLT that's worth like nothing, $8 billion, it's probably $4 billion, really, actually. Okay, your little ecosystem, $35 to $95 trillion. Who is our ecosystem?

These are all either members of their governing council or strategic partners like Anthropic and whatnot. They're using it at freaking scale right today. And we can assimilate all this stuff without changing it because that's what dual use means. Our architecture is like nobody has to change anything.

Nobody has to invest anything. You don't need any permission. All these things you think people need to do are gone. They're gone.

When I first did the projections, it said, yeah, I have a 30%, what's called cold start risk. If it never settles any transactions, it's worthless. So start out 30. That's annoying.

Then I explained everything about Lakahi and I showed receipts. Here's all the agreements that I wrote that everybody signed. Here's the organizations. Here's the scale.

Here's the press releases. Here's where we fucking had group We had press releases. That's very That's credible. Very incredible.

It took it all down to 10%. When I was done, it's now at 99.93%. Probably of, by the way, these numbers are only the P50 median. P50 median.

The 20-something quadrillion dollars spread across society. That's the P median. As soon as one large player commits, it goes on a P90 track, which is like 10 times bigger. So people have no concept how big it is.

None. I wouldn't expect, well, I'll digress. So all these people, well, guess what? And here's how they work, by the way.

Everybody says, how do you make money contracts? It's like, well, say you're old chi or to lawn, right? And that's why I'm getting up to speed. I'm hooked him up with all my friends.

It's like, don't talk to anybody else. I tell my friends, I will not talk to you. You have to route it through Tulan, Old C, whoever or I will not respond. You can get it indirectly.

You have to go through these women care about and trust who know the people I need to reach, and I'm doing it to show off. We're sending a message. It matters. It matters.

Do we want to be a bunch of tech bros? Is that what we want to be? Because people will impose their fears, their fantasies, or they'll impose whatever you do. They'll come up with something that has nothing to do.

By the way, that's why I send you all these Elon stuff because I understand Elon. He's my friend. We're going to. Go to inner cellar, but he is totally misunderstood.

But everybody has a damn opinion now that he's super Rich, right? Jack knew him when he was in his car, right? Anyway, so it's like, hey, say it's Old Search and whoever else. Whoever sent the outreach gets 10 to 25 for the graph.

What's the graph? $50 billion if you get to any large enterprise. But then maybe you know some grunt in the middle. Send it to whoever the hell.

And then, depending on how many. Many people, if you got to send the compliance, by the way, send it to them. We'll pay them. This compliance dude could make like billions of dollars for doing their job.

It's like, what? I had a whole recommendation. Don't do anything. Send anybody who gets this.

You should send it immediately to the top. You're an idiot if you don't, because anybody else, if they actually read and understand, they're going to send it because they get more credit. Why in the hell would they share it with you if you're so stupid? You need to like run it through a bureaucracy.

It is insane. Right? Now, say you get to Site Nadella. We're already got to the guy.

I've been holding back for months, right? Because I want all of them at the same time. So if you go to, if somebody goes straight here and says, okay, he gets 60%, you get 25%. You made $10 billion.

Interested? A freaking email. And there's no downside to anybody. All the things that make people cautious, I went through with like, Nobel Prize about psycho behavioral economics, all this stuff.

It's like, why do people fear? Anyways, it's all in there if anybody ever read it, right? So here's a scenario. So here's Hedera.

They have the council, they have Hashgraph, which is kind of the RD group, and or all the people that built the stuff that really founded it. And then the foundation, which gives away stuff. We got half a million dollars on this. They first were going to give us 50 million, by the way, but they're.

Then, our champion there, that's Rob Allen. He's so beautiful and he runs the whole ecosystem now. I haven't reached out to him yet, right? So it's like, okay, any one of you individuals, you don't need to, if you're an idiot, talk to the boss.

Hey, use KPNs, reach out to everybody. Do them? Get it to them. If they acknowledge you, that's yours.

Don't waste your time running up the bus. They'll never find out. It's illegal, violations of all these things you can't find about. Nothing they can do.

If somebody, anyways, nothing can do. So maybe, so some people get in a lower level and they bog down doing revive. IBM likes to freaking study stuff. Hitashi FIS.

Okay, great. You'll get something, right? These guys announce partnerships, but this one gets to like Larry or Sergei or like one of 50 people there that we know gets them like, hey, a blog post. All you need to do is a public announcement, right?

We're in this Lokahi thing, or we think the more compelling it is, it'll be worth more. If your freaking idiot holds back, these guys make forward-looking projections all the time, right? The strongest statement today, opposite score, because we have an AI algorithm we're to do all this stuff. Boom.

You got $50 billion. And hey, Google now got like $90 trillion of ecosystem value, a bunch of which would go to. It would be fiduciary, breach of fiduciary duties, verging upon criminal negligence, not to post it immediately. That is the God's honest truth, right?

And by the way, these guys at that level, there's certain people, they will get this immediately, right? Immediately. And I know them all, but I don't reach out directly. It has to be through some whatever.

I will, by the way, screw that. Let me withdraw that. Once I figured out, I used to do that because I needed people to give me credibility because people understand me. And it's like, what?

And they'd heard it for so long, so many times, you kind of undermines your credibility a little bit when you've been saying the truth for like 30 years. It kind of hurts your credibility when it hasn't already happened. I never said when it was going to happen, by the way. Anyways, so it's like, okay, I can use Gemini.

You can upload all of your emails. I have all my emails. Right? Find everybody I ever met, look at the context, come up with some, poignant freaking email about how we met them, copy whichever girl I was with at the time, right?

That they probably remember, and spam them with their personalized freaking outreach. That's what Rich is working on, whether he knows it or not. That's easily doable, a lot easier than getting you guys to read stuff, by the way. Now, as we, sorry, I go on, but so this is the stages.

So we have this quantum privacy rewards program. All this comes from the Accelerator Network Investment and/or investment network reserve. We have a governance reserve that owns all this stuff. We're going to pay out little bits of money, little incentives.

So it's like, hey, in the Pioneer's Reward, all we need is awareness. It says right in there, the only, everybody thinks you need all this work. No, if people knew about it's complete no-brainer. It'll trigger a cascade like a nuclear weapon.

And how long it takes for a nuclear weapon to ignite? It's like nothing. It takes about a thousand seconds. Once you get to the nuclear part, the cascade, it's in a thousand millionths of a second.

And it's holy mackerel. It's unbelievable. So this is not gonna take long. It won't.

You might think it was based on history, but before they had nuclear weapons, people had never seen. There's like one bomb, our bomb, the Casa Bravo, was only 15 megatons. That's bigger than every. Explosion in the history of man can by like 50.

One stinking bomb, right? So, you guys have no idea, no idea, right? By the way, I'm working on a thing, which is because this was actually based on that. I used Einstein's general relativity, but all the same stuff, the same mathematics design these things, because that's what E.

O. Wilson said. That's what consilient means. Different domains that are apparently dissimilar.

There's a common patterns or explanations. And if you can tie them together into one, they're true. If they're not, they're probably false. So, say it's the patterns, right?

It's not the embodiment. It's not like what does the physics have to do this? Everything. But it's a pretty bold thing.

And unless you're really driven to save the world, then you actually understand this stuff because you've been studying it since you were six years old. I'm a strange person. I was raised this way. It's been in my head all along.

I can't help it. I was born and raised, trained that way. I see things other people don't see. I've known it.

Anyways, so you do this. And by the way, this could end in a week, a month, a year. I don't know. The rewards will be the same.

What we want is hit them really rapidly. Because if you get to one big one early, then they want to negotiate. And then you start talking to them. And then it's all about Microsoft or Google or whatever else.

It's it severely crimps the worth. It's like, no, I don't need, we don't need any of you people. The only rational thing is if you're a little bit late, the rational thing is announce everything immediately. Now you have to outrun them because the $10, $50 billion, chunk chain.

Now, to Satya Nandela's net worth is about a billion and a half, something like that. Maybe I forget what it is right now. $35 billion for one announcement. By the way, hey, Satya.

Do anybody? Hit them. That's for Microsoft. If you reach out to other people, you could make a lot more money.

That's one prize. If you want to promise something, you have to have a model for exactly what does it work because it's all self-organizing, automated with no human intervention. Now, who implemented it? Whoever.

It's crowdsource. Who implemented the web? Everybody. Our stuff works with whatever there's.

There's certain things we need. And we put prizes. We named the quantum. Quantum, what quantum privacy, catalyst launch plan and rewards framework, right?

Has it all. Why do you think you have like three appendices that are like 150 pages long? We specced out every damn thing, right? What's it going to take?

Size it. It's like this is the build list. We don't care who builds it. You can build 100.

The one that does it first is good enough that we accredit with a proof to us accelerator will make. Make gargantuan money because these things are used everywhere, like organelles. Every creature in the history of this exactly the same. If you build that, so you go to all these big dogs, like get your best and brightest.

What? We'll let them work together. By the way, they work for you. You think they work for you?

You think they work for you? They work for this mission. They'll make far more. They don't even like you.

By the way, they'll work together in a team and get the stuff done, right? Anyway, so. Then the Cascade program says, guess what? The easy money is gone now.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Right?

JONATHAN HARE: So it's like, no more intros. We've saturated the market. We have access. It's world knows.

What happens when all these people start making announcements? Do you think people like, dude, is Satyanel know what he's talking about? Is Elon Nust know what he's talking about? No, they do not.

Does Jamie Dimon know what he's talking about? No, they do not. When Donald Trump says, hey, guess what? We're doing all nationwide and something.

No, they don't think. They freaking, shit, I don't want to be left behind, right? Okay, now the rewards are vastly less. It'll be the same contribution as 10 to 100 times less during the Cascade permeation.

It's worldwide news. We're not going to bribe you to like make more money. No, it's still like 10 or 50 to 100 million dollars. This is only 30 trillion.

This is like, I forget what it was, 250 trillion or something like this, but a whole bunch of them. Right? Billing all sorts of stuff or accrediting those. We have a whole set of tasks.

This is what needs to be there. It's like evolution. We're not going to do it. It goes in parallel.

Things emerge and then. Darwinian step and ours happens quantum speed is much faster until you can settle it once you can actually settle transactions that's when the revenue starts flowing and people don't what we get as ep3 networks whatever it's I control all this Rich and I whatever the fuck we control this shit completely I can do anything I want right it's amazing and now this thing is worth 1.2 quadrillion dollars it's been a long time it's like wait a minute I'm only got 30 years left. I wish I had more time to be alive. What's it?

Remember, Rich, like, how much could you possibly spend on yourself if you're really trying? If you're really trying, maybe 50 billion or something. What? We're all this.

Toys. What's that? That is really trying. Yeah.

No, seriously. I have needs. I got a ship. I love luxury, beautiful stuff.

So, the point is, I got an easy idea. You guys, we have this quantum liquidity pool. You have assets, you can contribute. It's called an exchange fund, right?

It's like, are you using your yachts and boats and planes? That's kind of way full. Pool all your stuff. If you do that and you're Rich, you can use all the stuff.

I'll hope you will meet interesting people. You'll be in the least level, but you have to give up your call in the future. You don't get to. Set up dynasties like 16 levels right over here.

And by nobody gets our exchange root tokens or accelerator tokens because they're so valuable. They have a share of the earnings a million years from now, right? So it's like we're dead. So why can't some god damn?

Sorry. So I do apologize, Marsali. You invested like a billion dollars and you get quadrillions. What are you going to do with it?

Build statues of yourself? Drive up overpriced real estate. It's like it'll be an asset bubble to kill. It's like, no, we're not doing it for you.

We'll reward people to help us create it. It's got to be in reason. So I came up with these senior quantum privacy derivatives. It's the most secure, safest instrument possible.

It pays off very early, but it's got a cap. So when you get your $50 billion, it stops, right? And guess what? The foundation owned it all along.

We never sell it. Right? These are it's called a perpetual trust, right? And they're like three in the world, right?

Anyway, so it's unbelievable. So then you get a settlement, it's a cash machine. Then it's like, hey, you do something, you make money. Now it's like, well, that you can actually own because it's like, hey, if you work someplace and you plug in their systems, you do this other thing, worth a ton of money, but you need to pay attention.

So, anyway, so it's small matches of rewards, but no. This is the rewards. The participation pool is like 10 times bigger. And we set it up where these early words you have to continue earning a living.

We're not gonna have autocrats, oligarchs, because you get lazy. You wanna ruin a child, give them too much money. Why do you think Bill Gay says his kids are gonna get like, what is it, $10 million, some crap like that? I don't wanna ruin my children, right?

So it's like, great. Hey, if you join, if you give all your toys away, then we won't have asset bubbles. So freaking mansions cost like, they would cost $10 billion. My house, you guys know my house?

Houses in that neighborhood that go for like $3 million, they sell the next day for $6 million. Why? Because all these guys are about to get Rich. And for them, money is immune.

But what of a regular person? How do you buy a home if you have an asset bubble? Right. Anyway, so I had to work all that stuff out because it all has to be in the quantum DNA from the beginning.

It has to be. You can't. Rich was saying he's doing all this stuff. It's like, you got to get it fixed in the beginning because it's really hard to fix once you get it.

Right. That's why I got it all in this proto-quantum genome stuff that AI can make real. And it's, yeah, it's all there. All the information you need to grow because that's like the nucleus in a cell.

One is everything about growing in an organism. Biology is a miracle. If you look a little, it starts out as one cell. Starts splitting before it.

It looks like a little tadpole or whatever, it's going through the phases of evolution. It really is, it's unbelievable. And then this baby is born, and then it knows a bunch of stuff already because it's genetic, and then the whole life cycle until you freaking die. What?

It's unbelievable. It's like, yeah, we did exactly that, right? So, you have to get it right. And I said, anyway, so there's there.

So, that's automated settlement. At that point, by the way, we're stinking Rich. Before then, by the way, once people see this stuff, anybody like, it's holy crap. It'll be happening soon, right?

So, anyways, this is scaling it. And the final one is self-funding growth. Right. So, this is still lucrative.

It's like two to five times automated settlement. Widespread crowdsourcing to rapidly implement PNAX settlement, right? Lucrative earned through execution rather than access. Premium multiples go to two to five times like the future baseline.

Mostly about proof of trust accreditation because if it's good, we want it to proliferate. If it's bad, it's going to not do well in this ecosystem. What? You get out bad stuff, right?

People start competing to align with our governing principles, right? And then self-funded growth. We're not giving in any, we're funding due deal, we're funding the proof of trust accreditation. And then using all the money to buy, do the right thing, take care of children, take care of animals, take care of do the right thing.

I know it's not in your economic interest, we'll cover you, right? And then all these different accelerators evolve with this in their DNA, it's like people can't help take care of babies from like any species. It's unbelievable. You get this tiger and they get because, it's cute.

Let's take care of it for a while,. Killed mom, but I'm going to take care of this little baby. It's instinctual, right? So, anyways, and then once it's locked down, boom, it's done.

But guess what? We'll have tiers of accelerators. There's four of them because, we didn't do Saudi Arabia yet or China or wherever else. There will be thousands of accelerators.

Anyways, so this is another slide here, which is like these are different types of what are called cascade milestones. They're activation milestones. And Rich and I worked all this stuff out, right? It's like that's where it actually does something, right?

You spend an afternoon updating the language and your privacy statement, and your terms of service, and that's it. And publish it, boom, you enrolled the entire user. It's not even live yet. Yeah, but you all those guys have opted in, then spent a few hours using this OpenID OAuth stuff, and now it's live.

Now, everything that Google or Meta does or any company with online stuff, we got it all now. Holy crap. So when Marc Zuckerberg says, okay, I'm spending like hundreds of billions of dollars. He, and I saw it, they have no idea what they're doing.

It's race. Well, it's not really my money. I got enough stashed away to live no matter what. I'm going to throw everything in this because if I bet and I win, I'm the Lord of the manor or whatever the hell goes through their heads, right?

If you're not, so that's why they're gambling. They have no idea what the business model, what the hell they're doing. They're buying chips. It's like, okay, I do this.

Boom, and then I tell them, like, boom, they tell Meta does, and then we convert them into something much better, right? So it's unbelievably powerful. It's like, so these are the different levels. If you're in government, right?

$1 to $50 billion goes straight to whoever makes the decision. It could be grassroots, it can be contractor-led, nothing with no gaining. So if the president does it, screw them. Individual people do it and they'll be rewarded.

Any individual, whoever you work for, if you work for a contract, it's like, okay. And then they say but if I did if the top guys do it first and you have to have the authority to commit the whole government if you want to contractual rights to actual data all the other stuff versus we did it and it has to go sort of privacy network by privacy network, right? It's like okay, you have to have authority. Hey, Trump, you can make $50 billion by doing the most ethical thing ever.

Then, by the way, announced something in Troop Social: like, we're a social accelerator for MAGA people that's worth hundreds of billions for him right there because he'll get like 100 million people following. He's like, Great. Because he's not, he's a Democrat. He doesn't believe in all this garbage he talks about.

He doesn't believe in that. He got them engaged. He didn't believe in any of that stuff. He doesn't believe in anything near as I can figure other than glorification.

It's like, hey, guess what? You, me, the Pope, three Americans, we're going to save the world. A million years from now, they'll be talking about you because you happen to be there, right? Great.

Anyways. And then, hey, whatever, I won't go through the whole, yeah, hey, talk to Jared or somebody get me the vonka because I've had three different offers to hook me up with Don Trump Jr., not talking to him. The man kills animals for sport. And Thomas Tozana can tell you how I feel about that.

Every time I went to their Capitol Hill group or whatever it was, like, what are all these dead animals? Going off there to kill some defense. I make fun of them every single time to their face. They probably didn't like it.

Screw that. Offends me as a former vegetarian.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Jonathan, I know you're not finished with the presentation, but I was wondering: are you help us walk through how we do the participation guide? So I've read through it. I haven't quite figured out how to get the email that you need me to get. So if you can help us in the getting started part, because the information is, there's so much.

My brain is not so big to comprehend it.

JONATHAN HARE: So it's really simple. By the way, that's what Olchi is going to do. It's like, people do not need to understand this stuff. We put it all.

I need some small tools that I can That's what this site is about, right? Yeah. And if you open this up, it's like, okay, that captures every meeting. If you read this stuff, so here's all you have to do: you read as much as you want if you have questions.

You don't need to understand this stuff. You literally don't even need to know it exists legally. So we covered every possible scenario. It's like, okay, but you click that button.

It's like, hey, before we submit that you could be on catalyst, you must read the submission terms. Blah, blah.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Yes, I did that. I did that.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Nobody reads this, right?

JONATHAN HARE: I'm stupid. It's like, okay, I agree. This is unnecessary, but it's better if you actually consent to something.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I did.

JONATHAN HARE: I send an email and then you do this. See, agree at Catalyst, QP and Catalyst. Io.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay, I did that.

MARSALI HANCOCK: You opted in.

JONATHAN HARE: So, what happened is you created a QPC has been created. You could have 100 of them. Quantum Privacy Sell. That's a Delaware Series LLC.

Right? It's a legitimate thing. It costs me, I owe the 300 bucks annual update or some crap like that. But, anyways, you can create an infinite number.

You don't have to record anything. They never register anything with the state or anybody else. They can be completely anonymous. All you need to do is do books and records.

Keep track. If you want to have ring fence, liability, and governance, so each one can have different governance. Because in our world, whoever it is, that's yours. You govern it.

If it's Google, however want to govern it, do however you want to, but mostly it's in. So governance, you have to do know your customer any money laundering stuff, right? And you have to have, it has to be audible.

MARSALI HANCOCK: Are you pointing to something on the screen? Are you pointing to something on your screen?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: No. Okay. I wanted to be sure I was following you.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's already done.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: When I sit when I hit, can I ask a question?

MARSALI HANCOCK: Yeah. Is your question? Now you've joined the QPN catalyst, right? So now you can start.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Actually, I forgot.

RICH MUTH: There's if you're adding those emails to anything you send out, you get. It gets recorded in your graph.

JONATHAN HARE: Your question, yeah, I forgot to do this.

RICH MUTH: So, what it does, well, once I ask the question, so it's your question, but yeah, that's great, but I want to send it out to other people. What content do I put in when I send it out to other people?

MARSALI HANCOCK: Yeah, so I saw the rules: please use BCC, but I'm thinking like VCC, but what do I put in? Is there an email address that I use?

JONATHAN HARE: So, first of all, what it does now. We're not finished with this stuff, and we're not going to stop until it's really polished. It goes hyper-viral. You guys could all be doing this right now, it's really easy, and I'm glad you're here listening.

Right? So, I got an email, no reply at Catalyst thing. It's like, hey, here's an email if you want to go silent, which means it doesn't say anything. If somebody's paranoid for some reason, there record of it.

Okay, silent mode. Acknowledgement mode, you get an acknowledgement saying, Okay, if and all you have to do is take this email. Or put it in the thing. If any one of them, they have different behaviors.

This one does nothing because I had to worry about people in freaking Russia or, North Korea, right? I would think either, like, okay, well, no record. When I, this one is like, I want an acknowledgement because, like, how do I know it actually did something? What if I send this thing?

It's really important and the server is down. You kind of want an acknowledgement because this thing might be like, of billions of dollars. Maybe you want an acknowledgement you can hold on to, right? And one we haven't implemented yet, I don't think, is it's supposed to send back a like PDF or something with whatever you submitted, including the attachments to digitally signed.

RICH MUTH: So the evidence does send back something, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay, well, Rich is on this, but the whole point is: like, if you want to, I have like, what if, like, the whole we all end up dead or the thing doesn't work? It's like, if you have a copy of it, is it verifiable, digitally signed? Thing that you can submit at any time to make sure you get credit for this. Store it someplace safe, print it the heck out, right?

RICH MUTH: So, yeah, lastly, add one of these emails to whatever has a CC or a BCC to whatever, yeah, okay.

MARSALI HANCOCK: One of those, right? That's what I was missing. Was that step? I was like, where do I find this email?

RICH MUTH: Okay, now the thing is, so. Some high-level stuff that people might skim if you go, yeah.

RICH MUTH: So, inside this page here, if scroll up a bit, Jonathan. No, I'm yeah, you can go on this page, it's good enough, right? Here is the flow, what's going on, right? You send an email, you see, C, B, C, or forward those addresses, and then it gets recorded and linked into your graph, right?

I can scroll down a little bit more, Jonathan. Let's say you introduce a partner to deblah. So up a bit. Sorry, I apologize.

Scroll up here's an example of using it, right? And then here are the three modes which you saw: right? I learned, acknowledge mode, evidence mode.

MARSALI HANCOCK: And that's the email. That was what I was missing. It seems so obvious to you, but for me, I was like, I thought, am I supposed to have a Marsali Hancock at QP?

JONATHAN HARE: You're going to use what Olchi comes up with because her stuff is like the any random person with attention span of like one minute wants to buy soap or whatever, or whatever. So, thanks all they'll have lots and lots of ways to do this, right?

MARSALI HANCOCK: They'll be, I'd like to get started, I want to get started in a way, and you really should.

JONATHAN HARE: But I tell everybody, I've gotten a fight with Tammy because she's like, Whatever. It's like, you should be like, She knows the president of Salesforce because he works for his wife, the personal assistant. He's in his house. The president, I know the guy from 20 years ago.

I know Marc Benny off, all these other people, right? But the thing is, like, so you're, she's hooking us up with Marc Andreason. I need her help to get there, which, but it's great because that's connected. That would be handy.

That would be useful. Maybe I'll even talk to you, right? Seriously. And then say, yeah, but yeah.

And I work for this guy. It's like, you should tell him right now because he'll get to Marc Benningoff. He needs this desperately. It's like, no, I don't want to, like, I'm holding out for my son.

She's trying to get her son hooked up in this job and make sure he's got lovers. It's like, he doesn't want to hear from you because you work for his wife. That's a burden. This is a gift to humanity and them.

He will be really pissed at you if you knew and you didn't tell him. So I actually wrote this whole thing up. And I think it's in the participant guide. It's like, let's do the math, right?

What you should do is copy CC it on everything so people can see it. Because then, if they respond, you to get credit, you have to string graphs into a contributions into a graph that gets to an activation milestone or a cascade milestone. So, if people don't know about it, then you might lose the thread that you get credit for. Now, eventually, actually, I'll show you something over here.

This is important because we've thought we did mapped it all in advance and we started building it, right? So, you get in here. This is the Cascade architecture. So far, we've actually risked built active capture.

I don't think anybody used it. It's pretty cool, but it would take a lot to productize it. So they said, let's do the directed capture.

RICH MUTH: I think that I think the motivation was there, Jonathan, is that we were building an application and we realized that, hey, we can start much simpler because we want to start as simple as possible. Let's allow people to CC in their email. And then that was sponsoring it, right?

JONATHAN HARE: Exactly. It was the second thing he built. But I said, hey, for pioneer rewards, which are the biggest in the history of mankind, all you need is emails. We need intros and like, hey, the schedule of meeting, they did that, boom, and then somebody published it.

Super easy. You could do it all with email. It's the easiest way to do it, right? No installs, nothing like that.

Now, every tool known to man has some sort of API. So we have a way. So there's five different models. Read them, people.

It's all scoped out in detail in the quantum privacy launch and rewards model, right? This we do: hey, attribution, privacy is guaranteed. Attribution without disclosure. You get full credit for contributions without exposing proprietary content, trade secrets, confidential employer information.

System verifies what you did, not what it contained. Participation is undetectable. Each quantum privacy sale is a confidential LLC series. Its existence in all contribution records are trade secrets.

It creates no employment, partnership, or agency relationship. Employers have no legal or technical means to detect or compel disclosure, right? Legally protected activity. Contributions are either dual work-use work activities, you're doing your job, or consciously protected personal advocacy.

Federal and state labor protections, the freaking U. S. Constitution prohibit employer retaliation for lawful off-duty participation, right? They can't do anything.

They'll never find out. Automated compliance. Now, so it's called deferred activation. It's record.

Well, what do I get? Depends. There'll be lots of contributions. Eventually, when we stand up this stuff, which shouldn't take long because it's not that freaking complicated.

We'll automated compliance thing. Every contribution gets screened by the privacy-preserving compliance service. It's like it will identify conflicts. You're President Trump.

You don't get kickbacks from contracts he issued using our president's authority. No, who cares? Don't have that. But the ripple effects, other governance, other people, private sector, you can have those.

Or by the way, you're $6 billion and we'll make sure there's nothing the least bit dirty. And that applies to anybody. You can be a priest, a lawyer, like a governor. Everybody has all these compliance people whose job it is to say no to everything.

They drive me baddie, right? So it's like, no, it's all cool. And what you want you to do? Read the fine print, 52-page participation agreement, which has all these terms.

I have like explainers, I have opinion letters, like it's all here. Freaking read it. And when you're reading, you can make like a billion dollars for four thing, can say, we need to think about it. If you say, we need to think about it, and then your boss waits for you, and then he personally loses tens of billions of dollars because you said you need to think about it.

And all it says is like, hey, kick it upstairs and say, hey, it's about my pay right. We will review it. We'll get back to you. All you need to do is a blog post saying we're in.

There's zero risk. People think there's risk. There's no risk whatsoever and massive upside. That's called asymmetric optionality.

If it's all upside and there's no down, and it took me like weeks to hem up every stupid scenario LLM came up with something that could possibly go wrong that imports from the assumptions, right? You realize this exists in global jurisdiction. There's no jurisdiction with oversight over this. By the way, now I got an even better one.

We're one in a freaking data center in space. There's no sovereign jurisdiction in space. So that makes it even simpler. Anyways, so this is all legally protected.

Then you have automated compliance. By the way, it also detects we have a financial fraud and financial crimes thing. If you're doing money lotterying for terrorism, the money won't get through. We're not going to get you arrested, but it won't work if you're doing like, sex trafficking or any of that.

It sees everything. So, if you're doing bad stuff, we will prevent you. Your supply chain froze. So, people are committing wars, right?

Trying to do a war. All these weapons. Yeah, how's your supply chain doing? That's riven by economics and people.

You were, we shut off your freaking army like that. Nothing you do about it. And by the way, if you what I want to do, China, I don't know, hey, guess what? All these guys are afraid of their own population and their own Praetorian guy.

Do that most Roman emperors died at the hands of their own guards because somebody bribed them instead of paying more? Usually crazy. Okay, so what if you're like Li Bi Zheng, who everybody hates over in China, probably, but they're afraid of him. It's like, there's no more censorship.

Anybody can, it was universal. Anybody can do it. You can earn a living outside your country. If your laws and regulations and governance is not aligned with our governing premiums and adaptive premiums, we don't do business there at all.

We'll route around you. Now, your people have a human and global right to participate. They can make tons of money, and they don't, you can't find out that they did it. And your police state.

Right? We get those people. It's like, guess what? You can make a ton of money.

You're getting a pett, a pittance, a pittance to commit horrifying acts that has to make these people sick to their stomachs, right? And it's like, you can make more. And by the way, if you walk down the hall and the group of you quietly arrests the guy, you'll make a mountain of money. Now, these guys see this, like, I can fight this.

I'm going to lose this battle. Or I can do it and make $50 billion. It's a really big country. Those freaking dirtbag freaking people who are evil will take the money.

And the only ones that won't escape are like Vladimir Putin because he's charged with war crimes. So, yeah, you can get the money, and then good luck staying out of the freaking Hague, right? Good riddance for that dude. So, anyways, it's all in there: world peace, solve the Palestinian rail.

I know it all because, and it's in the damn write-ups. Anyways. And then there's a cryptographic. So anyways, we know how all this.

We did the simplest one. This is all that's necessary for the project, the thing. So does that make sense, guys? Any questions on that?

Okay, cool. Now, next one is, by the way, how do we allocate it? Right? So what are the models?

So we have the unified trust model premiums thing. First of all, launch premiums. This job is like, how do we get people to pay attention and build it quickly? Is it strategic?

Rewards, pivotal contributions, secure anchor commitments, and validate the model for the broader ecosystem. Timing. Earlier actions are more valuable. Your position and the word curve is locked at the moment you act to reflect and it reflects the scarity at that point in time.

So if you first want to get it, if they're like 50 messages, same person, but yours was first, even if they, as long as they acknowledge it, or there's some way we can connect the dots that they responded to yours, if you spam everybody and nobody even looks at it, you're not going to become a billionaire. Right? That's why I go to like women that people love. They're like, well, they'll at least read the damn thing, right?

Then value, targeting high-priority enterprises and high-value strategic targets earn enhanced rewards based on their potential valuation. And we will tell you, we'll put bounties out there. Cascade, if it triggers downstream adoption, buzz. Publicity, if you keep it quiet, song, Marsali?

We always sing. Don't hide your candle under a bushel or whatever the stupid thing is. Missionaries, like spread the word of the Lord, right?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:37 - Marsali Tell people that's all your little light shine.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:42 - Jonathan Hare yeah. We used to sing that thing all the time. Anyways, so public commitments compress risk perception because if everybody's talking about people stop asking stupid, irrelevant questions about the past, about living in North Korea under subjugation, say, everybody's doing it. I better do it in a hurry, right?

And that's what drives these launch frames. It's like, okay, people always ask, how much do I get or for Everybody wants to enumerate. It's like, there's millions of things. To come up with a model.

Now, I haven't implemented it. I locked them down and specified it in enough detail where AI can say, we're going to generate this someday. It's going to take a lot of resources, but it's freaking easy, right? And then there's governance, ethics prioritizes truth, truthfulness.

Fairness, and responsible stewardship in all interactions, commercial terms. Reputation. So we have this multi-dimensional quantum reputation earned through verified contribution, identity, and behavior. So we define what reputation means to us.

I don't care what you think it is. I don't, you're version of a good reputation in the VC community. You'll probably lose points for that. That's not true.

But, anyways, safety focuses on AI safety, cybersecurity, privacy protection, and harm prevention and individual says you kill animals, you kill the forests, you do like, you take serious personal risk, but then you kill people because you landed on you're doing like sports jumping. Yeah, you can go kill yourself as long as you won't injure anybody. But if you do stupid stuff, we're not saying you can't do it, but it's going to cost you a lot of money. And guess what?

If you make stuff really expensive, they don't do stupid stuff, right? Freedom. We protect speech, association, commerce, conscience, freedom for surveillance, not optional. And it gets baked in starting the beginning, then all the accelerators, which everything, and it's in the global quantum genome for all these species.

Freedom of speech, there's nothing you can do about it. I know for my all the time, it's like undetectable. I know how to do it, right? How do we build new governance?

Can you trust AI to do it? What if AI turns evil on you, right? So, and then sharing: hey, if you do open participation, interoperability, and you actually, if you're a greedy freaking bastard, you're going to develop. It's going to cost you.

So be generous and share. It's like kindergarten. Do you pay attention? The value of sharing.

We were all taught it. Almost everybody forgets. Humanity, WeSport, education, health, dignity, inclusion, workforce transition in the era of automation. So it's like, there's going to be some huge disruptions soon to the economy.

And I was like, okay, well, we need to help people through that. We need to find things they want to do so they have meaning in life. We need to financially take care of them. And what?

It's easy. How? Because, like, holy, it's going to expensive. There's only $348 trillion of total investable capital in the world today, which is a tiny fraction of what we have.

It's like, but why do we care about like, well, the things we can do right now, like, let's take care of the environment. Let's take care of these species. Let's take care of, there's a bunch of things you can do, or let's start building. Telescopes so we can segue asteroids because there's a non-zero chance that an asteroid will strike the earth and wipe out all everything forever we should be looking for that shit stuff that's it that's cheap insurance well who's paying for it but the benefits are centuries in the future people don't value the future I have the test whenever I meet women I have this and I dump all this stuff out there's like hey so here's a little thought experiment What if you knew, without a shadow of doubt, that 300 years from now, there'd be a huge asteroid strike and kill all life on earth?

Now, everybody your children, blah, would be dead by then. Do you care? Now, only about 50%, most say, why would I care? Okay, see you later.

Or won't see you later.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:07:26 - Thomas Tauzin So, a question with a little bit of a joke based on what you said: who decides what is right or wrong? The asteroid is create a lot of jobs no it's not no I'm saying an asteroid like the one that took out planet it was it was a joke based on that movie where there was an asteroid coming to blow up the world and for months people were for days people were scared and then they were excited about the jobs that the asteroid is bringing I that part was a joke but yeah I was legitimately asking who decides what is right or wrong. I think everybody here would say we are pro-peace and love, but there are a lot of folks out there that would say war is necessary against certain ideas and aspects of society because it in the end is going to keep us safe in the long run. They don't want their supply chains cut.

And so you the quickness with which you ran through what I see as some significant national security concerns with my very one question, who decides what is right or wrong?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:08:39 - Jonathan Hare A couple of things is, and that's a great question, right? And by the way, if you read the Nobel Prize in Turing Award stuff, that was applications generated. And then I went through and inspect, because I've been thinking about this stuff my entire life. So I said, you can't trust people because if people don't even care.

Obviously gonna honor us. So, certain long-term, multi-sensory things, who benefits financial capital will never invest in those things. We always honor those. And who suffers?

100, we're like huge, right? Well, guess what? The quantum genome, which is baked in my documents, define what the dimensions are. Then, since we have all the resources, like, we are paying for this stuff, we set it up.

You want to make 100 times what you can make any other way? Here's what you have to do. If you don't no problem. Somebody else will do it and you'll be irrelevant.

We'll still take care of you. If you're stupid, we'll take care of you like everybody else. You don't have to be smart or understand stuff, right? It's not a vote.

Democracy has serious problems. Does it who here says, yeah, democracy, brilliant, right? So it's like, okay, no, it's like, so, anyways, it's all in there, damn it. So you basically say, okay, we're going to these four phases and all these accelerators, we're going to develop a thing that bakes these in.

What I call bake them in. It's in the genome. You can't help yourself. I talked about mothers.

What Jeffrey Hinton says? Because he says, he's the one that smote us out. He's formerly, he invented neural nets and won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for AI. Because they had to give it He's the chief scientist at Google or something, right?

He left and he said, Guess what? We can't control this. It's a huge disability and it's probably going to kill us all. And I'm telling you, as the guy who invented this stuff, we have no idea how to control it, which is absolutely true, right?

JONATHAN HARE: The whole idea is to ground this architecture in a human narrative. People need a way to connect with the vision. They might not connect directly with the abstract math or the underlying code, but they can deeply connect with shared histories and the actual people involved in this journey. By tying these stories, memories, and pictures together, we build a global contribution graph. That graph isn't just raw data; it forms the foundation of our human-centered governance plan. That is exactly why I'm working so closely with Marsali and the rest of the Consilient Angels—because women are inherently better at empathetic governance. If you want to make AI truly safe, you have to anchor it in humanity. As Geoffrey Hinton pointed out, the only real way to align superintelligence is to give it a 'mothering instinct.' This narrative graph is how we structurally bake that instinct into the network. Have you read that?

We all know that. Right? And even if you don't have children, you feel that about other people's children. It's genetic.

But how do you bake it in when you have a bunch of tech bros running the damn thing? And by the time you're up there, it's too late. So there's a very well thought out thing. Yeah, we'll grow it.

Whatever. I've got all that solved. If you would read it, I'll show it to you. Right?

I'll go through an outline. Well, I'll do this last one. So there's nature, rewards, ecology, climate stability, biodiversity, sustainable stewardship. Now, the $900 trillion in rewards that are in there, we can use that.

It's designed where who controls that? You get rewards. You don't own anything. You don't have a vote.

You get money. You get money. It's separate from governance or control, not yours. Right?

Now you build whatever you want to. If it's better aligned, guess what? There's something called the MUMS, the, what do you call it? Something, I've invented the term forever.

What is it? Again? Multiple uplift monetization. Monetization, uplift, multiple.

So when these early exchange networks and resource pools at the beginning, right? They connect a bunch of resources, and you have things that turn value-added stuff. And then you get a bunch of customers. And then, guess what?

I the same resource, this opt-in, this picture, this data, this piece of data is worth like 10 times more in that exchange network resource pool than the same exact resource. Another, everybody, you could put the same worst in 50 of them, but this one makes you more money. Guess where they go? The one that makes more money.

Well, guess what? All these different exchange networks resource pools. Reuse each other. You could build it all from scratch, or you could use theirs.

If you build all from scratch, because you can save X percent, you'll be rebuilding everything and you'll freaking die. So, the only logical thing is to reuse other people's resources. Well, these early ones, we bake these governance premiums in at the core. So, suddenly, it becomes called an attractor, right?

It's like, hey, you have no choice. If you really don't want to do it, you can do someplace else, but you're systems will never have children, right? Now, the other thing, this is why I'm glad you brought that up because, religions don't agree on everything, and people don't agree on everything, but they agree on a lot of stuff. So, okay, where you can agree, we'll bake those in.

I know, first of all, what I have will be baked in. Then, who's the best people to speak some of these things? Do the Catholic Church care about nature and humanity and sharing? They care about all these stuff.

That's literally exactly what's in the encyclical. And, Marsali. How about the Mormon, the Latter-day Saints? Do they care about these things?

Yes, very much. And who are you getting us to? Who are you begging me? I can't look.

Who are you going to get us to?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:15 - Marsali Well, it's the people in the corner of the 12. It's sort of the top. It's kind of equivalent to the Pope in the Catholic Church.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:23 - Jonathan Hare And how close are you to this guy? You've been telling God forever, this elder Gong, who's my favorite.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:26 - Marsali Well, I. Anyway, I do know him. He was very helpful when we were doing things with I Keep Safe around digital reputation. And his wife ran the Chinese program at BYU that my kids participated in, the Star Talk through the State Department.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:41 - Jonathan Hare Right. Where did he get his PhD from again?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:44 - Jonathan Hare He's Oxford.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:45 - Marsali He's a real scholar.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:48 - Jonathan Hare No. And he was president of BYU and he's one of the 12 elders, like the apostles or whatever, right? That's a big deal.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:55 - Marsali Yeah, he's our apostle. It's a big deal. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:57 - Jonathan Hare Now, others, another one, but also it's like, Mike Levitt, what's he doing? What's his gig these days?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:04 - Marsali Well, he's president of the Tabernacle Choir and he's the chair of Intermountain Health, which is the largest health care network in Utah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:13 - Jonathan Hare Former governor, does he know like these apostles? He knows everybody.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:17 - Jonathan Hare Huntsman, Lemon.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:18 - Jonathan Hare So it's like, we're getting to all those people, right? Now, this is something they deeply care about. And then the song fella, right? Was there something in Greece where they got all these interfaith people?

People have been talking about it. Now, nobody has a solution.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:30 - Marsali Yeah, they did a summit in Athens and they had Baylor. They did several universities and it was an interfaith. About creating ethical options for AI because of all the concerns you already mentioned. So, Jonathan, my biggest question is: I know it seems so simple because what you want me to send, Mike Levitt.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:52 - Jonathan Hare So, I know you want to work on it. The point is, yeah. Okay, that's pass for me, like Mike Levitt. I don't respond.

No, I'm working on when I'm done over Okay, good.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:59 - Marsali I don't want you to think I'm waiting.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:15:01 - Jonathan Hare Send this stuff. If you want to get points. If you send anything to them that has a link in our website and they acknowledge it, you are golden. That's all it takes.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:15:12 - Marsali I can do that. But I also, anyway, I can send out as soon as we have this out.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:15:18 - Jonathan Hare 50 people are going to. How many people know Mike Levitt? Mike Levitt. I met with him lots of times.

He hoped for the sun. We did all that stuff back in DC. Holy mackerel. Thomas Tozen.

Can we get to Mike Levitt? Right? Yes. Can we get to Right Levitt?

We can get all these people. But I said, it better coming from Marsali because mothers love children and all children, not hers, blah, blah. That's our messengers. That's his signal.

Okay. Seriously, that. It's like, I don't want to do it, but I'm not going to do whatever. It takes time to get this stuff.

And by I've been warming you guys up because I want these people to be up to speed, understanding shit, talking to each other, because otherwise, people are about to come asking you questions. And frankly, most people have no idea. Tammy, who I love, sort of, she worked, like I say, I love everybody. It's different.

Don't assume too much. But do what happened at Conciliant? She idea. She worked there.

She was my administrator. I never told anybody how I, what I had to do, the millions of dollars I got to fund the entire team, right? Nobody knew the battles I fought. Nobody knew.

Because if you say, it's so juicy, they tell everybody I'll never meet these people. No, keep your damn mouth shut until now. Because I want to go back to all those Nobel Prize winners and all these big guys. Hey, I'm not coming in asking for forgiveness.

Look what I did. And this history will be told. There'll be movies, videos, books. And I'm not kidding.

Walt Isaacson. We're going to get Chris Nolan. I have tons of connections. And it's like, yes, there's plenty of room.

All y'all tell your stories. Right? It's not about me. We need to have stories from everybody that people can identify.

I know friends in every ecosystem. As you pass my breath, and then, Marsali, you tell your whole family's history, right? Everybody tell their damn family who doesn't want to talk about their mom and what they're proud of or how they abused them. And what we do, we crowdsource all that stuff.

Part of the ways I'm the Jeffrey Hinton thing is like, okay, find some curated group of people. Tell us what being how you love your mother and what she did right or wrong. What you would do, want for your own children, and what you want for other. Log all that stuff.

Go on the privacy graph. This is a basis. This is the genome that the brain emerges from The brain and psychology emerges from the DNA. So, but how do you, how do you do the government?

So, it has to be decentralized. I'm going to be dead. And if you have control, people hate you. They want to assassinate you.

You did this. I'm not doing anything except the initial conditions. Right? But I'm going to steer it where these things are mandatory.

Now, the point is: if I say this, why doesn't everybody follow me? Hey, the Pope puts up an encyclical and suddenly there's worldwide news. How fair is that? Does he have the answers?

No, he's got 1.3 billion followers, and who doesn't respect that guy? If you don't respect the Pope Leo XIV. There's something wrong with you. What?

As far as I'm concerned, like Trump, you need to get right. And by the way, anyways, so sorry, I digress. So, by the way, in this thing, there's lots of things you could read. You don't have to read it all.

By the way, most of these things have, so here's my favorite, by the way. Where is it? And the reason I did this one, by the way, is the stuff I was working on all that time, it's so detailed and nerdy. Nobody's going to read it.

There are executive summaries for every single document. And anytime I add something, I updated all it's like the great thing about AI is like, hey, read all these documents. Where does this hit? They have to be consistent.

If they have different interpretations, different things, you get hallucinations or confusion or stupidity, or it starts importing stupid assumptions. So I had to fix all that. It took a lot of work. And then I said, okay, when I was finished, like, hey, and a data point, Joseph, that all these documents.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:19:00 - Rich Muth are actually on the web shield. Io page.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:19:03 - Jonathan Hare Yeah, except the pretty pictures or the exhumed ones. We need to do that. So basically, this one here, documents. They're not all here.

We're getting them up, but like, here exactly. This is only like five pages. Here's the main one. It's called the what they call it, they call it the primary thesis document.

The AIOs and Dunst terms. So it's like it's the whole story about how we do it, model everything else. Here's Catalyst launch plans and rewards. This is the participation, valuation, rewards, fine.

Where you reinvent all finance and ownership and do very specific. It has to have everything necessary to from that one thing. It's going to happen. We'll get the entire financial system.

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pool, universal engagement pool. All the stuff you burn money on, we get zero marginal costs, right? Now, hey, if you do this, we can do a strategic agreement or a partnership agreement.

So in addition, where the big money is not the investment. If you have the money, invest it because we're pooling it. This thing is funded back by the entire future global economy. So if you put in a $10 billion, it'd be like a...

A 4 million over-collateralized thing, it'll be the safest financial instrument in the history of mankind. Now, if we get the Nobel Prize winners to understand this stuff, or any quant guy from any like hedge fund, anybody with a brain that actually does mathematical modeling about financials, of which there's a lot, like anybody would figure this out immediately and they'd go, Holy mackerel! Right, get it to somebody for the love of God, right? So, anyways, do all this stuff, it's like, so it's all in there.

All in there. This is a more detailed one I did before. So we have lots of documents. Here's the patent portfolio because every single thing in here, there's so many innovations.

We have to patent them all because we're going to freely license it to everybody. Right? And the only thing where anybody can do it, you can't stop anybody else. Here's the model.

Anybody implement anything. Like the web. Who built the web? Everybody.

Who owns it? Nobody. Now, if you get dominant, you can make a lot more money. The business models isn't in the web, it's in the applications or systems.

But not in our, anyway, so all that stuff. Anyways, it's all in here. And I did the stuff. If we don't have this as a gap, then somebody's going to have to make it.

There's no model. If you don't have a model, then somebody actually has to be in control. Right? I'm only going to be in control for about a year until we bake this stuff.

Then you set it free. I don't actually like people asking me for decisions. I really like, nope, not my thing, right? And that's not what we're here to do, right?

Then, but I get to, and then 70% of the exchange root tokens, which is enormous, go straight to the EP3 Nature and Humanity Trust will do education, child welfare. If there's a child suffering in Gaza or India, like take care of him. You don't buy your $2,100 in the mid-range thing, which is really low, $100,000. That's that basic income.

For any person. You could be handicapped, like you could be in a coma for being a human. That's the baseline, far more than that for everybody else. It's like these other people, nobody gets decided, it emerges.

It really matters. Where's the core DNA? From the people, they need a human touch. By the way, humans need to believe humans in charge.

Well, there is some people in the root, right? And I'm trying to be you guys and then grow naturally. We need to curate it. So, trust me, it's all that.

So there's all these all this stuff was patented by the way that's why I couldn't talk it's like holy mackerel this by the way Rich what did the ai say great job Jonathan you've done a an enormous amount of work it's actually what Rich said by it's like the ai says the quant the catalyst network is the most important thing didn't it Rich what did it say right yeah the catalyst is that I think that's the innovation we were missing before we had a lot of this before but we didn't really it was very hard to get it going.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:39 - Rich Muth Whereas I think the catalyst is the way we now understand a much better path to get this going. That's what in my mind is.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:46 - Jonathan Hare And it is because I worked on it for a lot. First of all, it's like, I kind of knew how to do it. It's like, it's a lot of work. Holy crap.

So I spent all my time talking to people, trying to get them to show up and meeting with Jack. That's a lot of what doing. Right. That's why, by the way, I started, stay away from me for a while until this is going, right?

Because I. Start asking me questions or give me any suggestions or burning any of my time, the profanity index goes way up pretty soon. And doesn't, I love Thomas. I don't think I don't know if I swore a few, anyways, like, I have no time.

You can't talk to Rich, whatever. And the other thing is, I start crying when I think about somebody I care about or, like, anyway, so skip all that because the quantum privacy networks or the Catalyst networks, we actually don't need anybody. Once it starts going, it's unstoppable, like a nuclear bomb. Once it cascades, there's a bunch of things.

I sent out videos about freaking nuclear bombs. You should watch them. They're really interesting. Trigger happens.

And then it triggers after trigger. It's inevitable. It's completely unstoppable. And the things that are in the bomb are consumed by it.

They create energy, but you have to state it exactly right. And it has a big impact on the yield, blah. So I've decided the most perfect freaking catalyst. To, but rather than the bomb that kills everybody, it saves the freaking world.

And if you do it right, because I don't want to do it here in the US. What if we do it here in the US? We bought, or like Hawaii. How do I talk about Hawaii?

Whenever we talk about Loka, people say it's in Hawaii. It is not in Hawaii. That's like, a showcase. And because people with their tiny little perspectives think they need contracts, like it drove me nuts.

No, it's a global thing. It's Jack happened to move back to Hawaii. And the least power he's ever had in his career. When I met him, he was like running.

Are you still there, Jack? Probably not because he's probably talking to the government right now. But I met him when he was in America College. I went to AMA.

I meet AMA, he's 20. I'm glad to see Jack in Hawaii or in LA or wherever it was. And he said, everybody loves Jack. Blah, blah.

Everyone's going off about him. And then, anyways, he was ran the ACC at the time. They have like this, everybody. And then he got the quantum privacy.

What do you call it? The what was it? The. Cardiovascular Research Network.

No idea who they were. So they say, Yeah, I'm meet Malscone. Come by, we'll get a coffee. I went to get a coffee with them.

What is this thing? It's like 40,000 people at this conference. It's our conference. What are you doing?

I'm the CEO. So you got like 40,000 people in your conference, and you didn't mention it. Yeah, heard of the damn thing. Right.

So, anyways, huge. We've been to so many people. Anyway, point is, it's super easy. So I told them a while back: Jack, it's you and me.

We don't need anybody else now. We love them. We're and do something. And I need to get my head right for a while.

And I've got a strategy on how to market this and actually how to launch this stuff. And I want to have that in place before I start talking with people of power because you can be corrupted to the dark side. You really can, right? So I don't want to be tempted by anybody.

Marc Zuckerberg whispering sweet nothings my ear, right? That used to be my plan. It's like, I told people year ago, it's like, what? I'm giving you a shot to do like an open AI style deal.

Because we can do it with anyone in the company. If it first, we'll work with you for a while. Everybody will say, Yeah, you can do whatever. But if when we're done, you can inherit it, and you guys will have a massively disproportionate effort.

And for some reason, it didn't happen. God only knows why, but now it's like, any country, anything can launch this stuff, which means you have to behave well. There's only run as fast as you can, be as share as much as you can. If you get creedy, up to you.

Greedy, if you're greedy, you will suffer and it'll be your own damn fault. And if you read this stuff, you'd see it's inevitable in the model. It won't be my decision. Of stuff's like, to get conscience, if any person makes the decision, you're liable somewhere and they could imprison you, right?

Our system emerged from this DNA. It's totally decentralized, it doesn't run in any particular place. There's nobody who can possibly be liable. And by the way, it's completely confidential, so they can never pin it on you.

That's how you get freedom of conscience, freedom of everything. It's designed that way. It's unbeatable. All the time I spent with the NSA.

Anyways, I digress. So there's a bunch of stuff. What we don't have yet, this is a part of documentation. If you actually want to implement it's all you need.

There's like, a couple of pages. Right? Guess what? Fucking implement our stupid thing.

Takes hours of work, but nobody ever read it, which is fine. By the way, I sound bitter. It's that it's actually good. It forces to do it the right way.

Thank God my car got destroyed. My favorite possession, and my most prized possession by far, right? On Thanksgiving. I was kind of bummed for a while, but then it's like, guess what?

I have pretty good insurance. So I got $152,000. Back, and then I only owe Dr. Bob $100,000.

Then I had $52,000. Great. Don't have to anybody. And I gave Rich half.

Well, you can work. That's what we said. And waiting for people. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

It's like, great. And Rich, he was saying, like, hey, gosh, you're doing your thing. How, like, how long did this run? I was always like a week away from me.

But as I kept on going, okay, it's flowing. It's like, we need this, we need this, we need this. And Rich isn't,. Freaking out about money, you and this is good.

I did it step by step. There's an order. I knew it. I had to get through it.

There are no shortcuts. And we're finished. I was such relaxed. What?

Normally, I'm like all hyper all the time. Hey, get this contact. I stopped. After Tammy pissed me off because I told her, You should call everybody you love.

Who did I call? Talon, right? And I was like, okay. So like, and I would wanted to tell her, is it?

But anyway, she's unbelievably connected. And by the way, I had no agenda whatsoever, none, right? Now I said, the Wallenbergs. Let's look at some stuff, by the way.

Cause here's some other things we have in our back pocket. The Wallenbergs. Anybody know who the Walmbergs are?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:29:48 - Thomas Tauzin Yeah, they came via Thomas Eggroom.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:29:52 - Jonathan Hare Yeah, no, he doesn't freaking know them. He was, by the way, I spent like 18 hours with that guy. He was calling me relentlessly because he went an intro to NEA, believe it or not. And I like that guy, super smart.

And it's like, okay, I need to talk this through. I cried. I told him all these stories because I needed to get it out of my system. It's like, shut up, Thomas.

I'm talking. But he saw money. He's like, I'll get you to Wallenberg. It's like Jeff Weiss already spoken.

Well, anyway, so it's a huge play. They have EQT, which is a $385 trillion or billion dollar, I think trillion time, but billion dollar. It's like the fourth largest private equity firm. And they own Investor AB, which is like the one companies all over the place: Saab, AB, Ericsson, all over the place.

And these guys, the reason I like them is like, they're like, they have our values. They have a 170-year multi-family. It's not a multifamily trust. Most of the family wealth is to take care of society.

They got Sweden through the 1950s. Marc, some wonderful people. Okay, I want to get to them. We should get to them first, but not the Jeff Weiss way, which is dumb it down, remove all this stuff.

Because I get to him. No, it's a big bang. Get to them because we can convert all their foundations and funds. And Raul Warrenberg asked Tulan about Raul Warrenberg.

Wallenberg, who saved 35,000 people in Hungary from the Nazis and then got killed. For his trouble in the Soviet unit for doing the right thing. So these guys are good. Look at all these companies they own.

And so, with these guys, they could, and these are the people he already gotten to. Jacob Wallenberg, twice. He's the boss man there, right? Twice in person about us.

He asked for a one-pager, and I said, Jeff, there's no one pager that can be written. I know afford it to EQT or whatever. It'll get to the right. It's not doable.

Stop asking me for one pager, but it's nice. At least we can talk about it. We know if somebody, anyways, that, anyways, and then Jacob Wallenberg, who's his son? Tulan's going to meet him because he's got nominated or is on the board for last year of Investor AP because they're grooming him to be the next time.

You don't get to be the top man. You have to earn it. It's a big family, but it's a totally so you have to do something, anyways. With these people, if we get it to them, it's like, okay, you could in three days reach full cascade every easily.

There's not a king, an emperor, a president, a CEO, a foundation. They could reach all of them. And if it comes from them, it will be opened, it'll be thoroughly investigated and forwarded around. Game over.

What happens then?. Of money goes to the Wallenbergs. They'll probably contribute it to the EP3 Foundation. Get it?

I'd rather have them then get it than some dirtbag VC or some Rich guy because they think about getting yachts. The stuff I joke about, I joke about it so I don't cry. And I want it. I'm going to get all these things, but mine will be shared.

But it's like, these guys are doing a good job. But anyways, and this was all generated by AI, by the way. Right? And then this is what it's worth.

This is whatever. Forget this. This is one of the government stuff. Blah, blah.

Anyways, now the son, what he said, Jeff Weiss, by the way, 50 meetings for that guy. He's a great guy. It doesn't really matter what he is. But then this is the son.

Okay, got those guys, but they really want to hook up the sun. And since they're bored people, they always pretend they don't have influence and they don't want to, because they're overseeing stuff at trust. They don't like to do things. They don't have to do anything.

They have to send stuff out to people and have people publish blog posts. You think they're going to have to influence somebody? Dual use. Jeff has never read this stuff.

Have you read anything since like 2010? It? He refused to read it. Right?

And it's like, and then I showed him all this stuff, and he's like, Well, when did you come with this? It's been there all along, you never read it. That means you can't pitch it correctly, right? Drives me nuts.

So, anyways, here's this thing. And I never heard a ramp. So, I put in a couple of URLs and had to generate this thing, right? Here's how he can work it.

I haven't finished this one. It's like, okay, he can personally do it, blah, blah. And so, it's five to fifty billion dollars per graph. Right?

I said, why send it to junior? Nobody's gonna respond to it. Well, he'll get to a lot of people, but send it to the seniors because, and do it however you want, right? Now, here's the thing, by the way, RAMP competes with the Amex.

There's some sort of, I forget what they do again. Here are their investors. Any of these guys look familiar? That was like most of the top-tier people.

It's like, do you think? And he runs HR and like people. And he's a freaking Wallenberg. His dad is on the board of NASDAQ.

He's on the board. This is a, Tulane, can you tell him how influential and loved the Wallenberg family is? She's still there. She may have, I believe.

May have lost her. Yeah. Trust me, they're loved. So the point is, this one, thank you guys for staying, by because I need to get this off my chest.

So, this is everybody. It's like, okay, he could do it, but do I want a bunch of stinking VCs anchoring this stuff?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:35:19 - Jonathan Hare No, right?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:35:21 - Jonathan Hare But it's prepared. So, pretty soon, and I'm talking Accenture right at the top, Deloitte right to the top, Peter PC right to the top. We got people begging me to meet with Don Trump Jr. Nope.

What? It'd be better, cleaner if we go through Ivanka because she's got a soul and she's, I like her, I actually like people, and she seems like a very decent person, with a ethically challenged family, right? And but who's Don Trump or Donald Trump's favorite? Ivanka, who's her husband?

Jared, what's he doing negotiating the peace, but not doing well because it's impossible? It's like, we get over here. Hey, guess what? You can have what's called a sovereign accelerator for Gaza and the West Bank, right?

No government. What's the problem over there? Who's run it? Is it the Hamas or Palestinian blah blah, whatever they are these days?

Right? It's like, how about no government? How about people being self-sufficient? Now we'll have some sort of international thing temporarily, and we'll pour resources in there, right?

Pour resources in there to take care of these poor people. It's easy. Everybody says they want to do it. And by the way, it costs barely anything, a lot less than the wars we're fighting.

It'll save a ton of money. Then Israel, get thy booties the hell out of the West Bank. We can't force you, but guess what? Your supply chains will start freezing up and powerful.

Once we get this thing out there, if you keep on doing that evilness, it will cost you. Now, the settlers and the crazy people, or the extreme, whatever the hell you call those, whoever like wants to brutalize poor Palestinian people, right? It's like, well, the people back in Israel aren't put up. You're costing them money.

If anybody supports this, it's a cost of money. Guess what? We've got peace in Israel and Jerusalem, and we'll get Egypt. It's easy.

I know exactly how to do it. And who would be the best spokesman for this? How about all these churches and whatnot? It'll emerge naturally from what we're doing now.

It could happen very quickly. And by the way, if Jared spreads the word, they'll make a ton of money too. Get to your Saudis, Gallup's people. It's like, guess what?

Sovereign accelerator. Sovereigns are great. They set the rules. If you're a king or emperor, whatever the hell you are, it's like you set the rules.

Okay, this will make a ton of money. It'll make my kingdom worth a ton more. If not, it's like it's a no-brainer. It's a complete no-brainer.

Now, the question is, you reach them all quick? Anybody have any thoughts about how many people Jared could get to if he knew about this? And then how much would it make for him? Far more than he can possibly grift.

It can happen like tomorrow. So it's like, okay, let's get this shit together. And by the way, that's the sort of stuff that people care about. So if you start trying to explain quantum DNA, you lose people.

You intimidate them. You lose them. They tune out. Right?

That's why I did this thing. So, this is, I have a big framework about how they're selected. They're very tight criteria to be if it's Nobel or stuff over here. Then I started having, whoops, hard to use this thing.

Yeah, Nobel Prize in Economics. This is, this is, so if you're interested in economics, read this up. These are absolutely fundamental breakthroughs from the core underlying stuff. I have a whole bunch of them, right?

And then we have. Peace, right? Which is, where are we? So I put in, here's the EP3 Humanity Trust as a multi-century humanitarian institution.

Nobel Prize there. They always give them to these groups. By you can all get fractional Nobel Prizes if you're engaged. If you're not engaged, you will not get it, by the way.

So, no credit for hanging out with Lokai or whoever, what the hell, no credit for that. Got to earn it. Human care is a human right. Universal care financed by health knowledge.

Quantum privacy, AI safety for human network. This will save us from all the AI. Totally simple, done. Compliance, safety, ownership, and governance alignment via QP bonded AI model waste and training data.

There's another AI thing that they said this is super powerful, right? Universal privacy, security, compliance, policy, and AI ethics enforcement. But then my favorites are multi-sensory. Catastrophic risk reduction, cryptographically enforced long horizon planetary insurance.

So, everything bad that can happen to planet, you can insure against it very easily. And it's like, okay, we do these things now, and who pays the costs? The people in the future. Well, if you live in Miami and you would be like 20 feet underwater in 100 years, you're going to get an assessment to pay back the debt we took on now to cover.

So you have a freaking house. Why are we having to bear the cost? They're going to enjoy the AI and the robots and everything else. Why the hell are we paying?

You pay us. We need to borrow against that future to pay for people through the transition. It's all in there, right? Climate change, like all of them, there's lots of risks out there.

I study risk. Talked to when Peter Tulana was around, she worked at the Global Business Network, job I worked out with, by the way. And they do scenario planning for the future, right? Anyways, then there's resolution of the sovereign coordination trial.

I forget what that is, but they thought it was important. And resolving the authoritarian transition problem, freedoms, economic target, peaceful form. How do you get it to happen voluntarily? Or if they don't do it happens naturally.

Nobody has to fire a shot, nobody has to die, and they quietly either leave and get Rich or get arrested. Somebody might kill them. We don't control guns and what people do, we won't pay people to kill people. That's all.

Seven-day advantages are very strict about not killing, by the way. Right, Marsali. And then there's a healthcare. I'm here.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:56 - Marsali I'm here, but I have a student coming in a couple of minutes.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:59 - Jonathan Hare There's a global health one. Which I nominated Jack Luhn for a Nobel Prize. Then there's online child safety one, which I nominated Marsali for a Nobel Prize, and then the mental health, suicide prevention, and preventing disease of despair, both of you for a Nobel Prize, because I needed a document so auto-generate this stuff. You could have a hundred of these things, right?

So, anyways, there's all the stuff there, and these ones down here, the main ones, I actually curated those things, these are generated. And I barely read them because, like, yeah, you could, there's lots of Nobel Prizes. They always do, anyways. So it's all there.

So freaking read it, right? And one last thing is: I did a summary of that, right? Which people think is marketing, but it's not. Where's the I'll show you one other one.

This is the Anthropic one. So it generated this thing. Did I show you this? Right?

For did I show you this one? I can't remember. Yeah. Probably yeah you briefly there's lots of stuff out there so we haven't put them on the website because we need to get that it done I need to finish it right so when I'm done which I could do it right now and honestly I was trying to get people get people organized we're about to get a lot of attention so first of all if you're not up to speed if you're not doing the reading of now I'm not saying everything if you don't know what you're talking about you're not going to get looped in because you'll confuse people, right?

If you don't know what our values are, you're not getting looped in, right? We're not going to make you a reference because people want to know. So you got to go through Jonathan's Angels or other people past, like Jack, he's vested. Jesse, you're vested, right?

There's certain people who vested, but the point is: no, but you still need to get educated because they didn't really understand this thing. Do you think Jack understood? He's always stop talking about policy. Stop when you go to Benioff.

Don't ask him, don't talk about like prior off stuff. You're talking about the wrong stuff. So get up to speed. Anyway, so get people up to speed.

Finish doing it. I said, Rich, we got to have this automated or this agentic thing because these guys have armies of AI agents that analyze everything, how they think. So as long as we have an interface, I'm not saying my model, I have the perfect model. It's like, go do your own model.

Do it 50 different ways. No matter what model you do, it's the biggest thing in the history of mankind, right? So, but start with something. So, it's all very soon, right?

So, any other questions before we go? Thanks, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:43:30 - Marsali Thank you very much.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:43:31 - Jonathan Hare My pleasure. All right. Take care now. Thank you everybody.

Left. Who's there? You guys are the winners, by the way, the people that suffer through my stuff. You get a prize.

So we'll record this. And by the way, I can add any little tidbits into the model I want. So please make me happy. I'm tired.

All right, guys. Take care.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:43:56 - Rich Muth All right, Jonathan. Thank you.