Zoom session — Iris M. Steine (Consilient Angel) and Jonathan (June 11, 2026)

Transcript Node: Iris Steine & Jonathan Hare (June 11, 2026)

Date Recorded: Thursday, June 11, 2026

Context: This conversation takes place immediately following Jonathan Hare's brutal six-month 'Einstein Mode' period of total social isolation. Having finalized 2,091 patent claims to secure the Quantum Privacy Network (QPN) architecture under absolute novelty laws, Jonathan reaches out to Iris Steine. The dialogue reflects the intense, high-energy process of re-wiring his brain to translate a mathematically dense, multi-dimensional mental model into linear speech for partners who lack the isolated context. The transcript has been programmatically polished to remove filler words, verbal stutters, and run-on artifacts, breaking giant blocks into readable paragraphs while carefully preserving the underlying meaning and raw emotion.

Meeting Participants & Relationships

• Jonathan Hare: The host and main speaker. Architect of the Lokahi and QPN Catalyst initiatives, detailing the emotional and historical context of his finished, self-funded AI project corpus.

• Iris M. Steine: A 'Consilient Angel' and clinical psychologist (licensed in Norway, residing in Berkeley, CA). She serves as a sounding board for Jonathan's emotional debriefing and psychological transition following his isolation period.

Executive Summary

- Post-Isolation Re-wiring: The conversation highlights Jonathan's intense cognitive and emotional transition after six months of 'Einstein Mode' isolation, necessitating a re-wiring of his mental state to communicate with others.

- Project Completion: Jonathan detailed a finished, self-funded AI project corpus, noting the relief and subsequent psychological toll of finishing a life's work.

- Historical Provenance: Multiple high-level contacts (e.g., E.O. Wilson, the NSA, Anthropic, Bill Joy) and prior fundraisings were referenced to establish the historical context and viability of the architecture.

- Privacy & Trust: Jonathan requested privacy for the recorded video, to which Iris agreed. Jonathan emphasized that radical transparency and sharing his past is critical to removing shame and establishing the 'ground truth' of the QPN's governance model. Later, Iris asked that Jonathan delete the video, and not show it to anyone.

- Transition Support: Jonathan specifically sought psychological support from Iris to help him navigate the return to society and requested her involvement in future transition sessions.

Polished Complete Transcript

Iris M. Steine (Consilient Angel) and Jonathan Hare Thu, Jun 11, 2026

JONATHAN HARE: Oops. Hey, I can't hear you. Is your is your no how do I make you big? I want to see you.

Let's see.

IRIS STEINE: Do you want to see me? I can hear you. Yeah. Can you hear me okay?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, why aren't you big? What? I'm probably doing the wrong thing. What?

I'm kind of out of it. So, there you are.

IRIS STEINE: You said you have not been sleeping for many nights.

JONATHAN HARE: You don’t know. First, I'm so happy to see you.

IRIS STEINE: How can you be awake after so little sleep?

JONATHAN HARE: Don't worry about me. I'm just happy. I've been doing this since my entire life. So don't worry.

Well, the reason I'd like you to hear it because you can understand this, what I’m going through. And I know exactly what I'm doing. And I just have never been so happy. But I take care of people.

Anyways, I record a lot of these things because I can't go through these moments over and over again, but you have to process them. Because, I have memories, like my mother, who I love more than everything, and she's losing her memory.

IRIS STEINE: My gosh, I'm so sorry to hear that.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, it happens to everybody. Not everybody, but a lot of people, because we live so long. But the thing is, she's like, was always my anchor. And, I've been working on this so long, people don't understand.

So the reason, well, I've been doing this since childhood. I have a mission, and she's been after me my whole life to get married, have children. Then, can you save a little bit of money for retirement?

And, like, I'm always doing these extreme things because if the mission is here, you got to do it. She always worries about me, and I work so hard. I'm not able to travel, so I don't get to see her. So, I just, anyways, but I wanted her to be here mentally for it.

IRIS STEINE: Where does she live? Does she live in a different part of the country?

JONATHAN HARE: No, it's like Modesto. But anyways, the thing is, no, people have no idea. So I've worked my whole life and it's all in, well, a lot of this is recording it. I'll go through it.

You can watch the other stuff because you are a clinical psychologist, right?

IRIS STEINE: I'm a clinical psychologist. Yeah. Licensed in Norway, but not in California.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, we'll fix that. I know everybody. They'll do stuff for me.

IRIS STEINE: If you find a way to fix that, I'd be very happy.

JONATHAN HARE: I swear to God, you just have to be my friend. I said, I never have any agenda. I'm a very unusual person. And so the thing is, if you're, if you're centered inside, I just was very intellectual from an early age.

So I read my first library at age eight. That was 800 books. Never stopped. My parents were amazingly intelligent. My mom got a 4.0 at Berkeley while having three children, right?

My dad had an IQ of 170 or 180. They're just way out there. I wasn't allowed to watch TV. We had the first parental control thing – in my mom’s purse. By the way, usually I'm super happy to see you!

I'm just saying that you will understand, when I'm dredging up emotions, I'm thinking about my mom. I'm happy to see you. And I barely know you, but I figured you out. I figured out people so quickly.

And you can ask all my girlfriends, like Tullan. She's my, not my first love, because that was Laurinda Galleli, who's like the high school prom queen, blah, blah. She liked me, but I never asked her out because she was dating the high school football quarterback, blah, blah. And I never asked anybody out until I was like 20 years old or something like that. Anyway, Laurinda was my first love.

IRIS STEINE: Is she the swedish one that you sent a picture of?

JONATHAN HARE: No, Tullan was my big love. I'll just tell you a few stories because one of the things I'm doing by is recording all this stuff for everybody. After all, I think a lot of pain comes from just feeling shame about being a human and like covering things up. When you cover things up, you feel vulnerable, and then you get paranoid, and all it does is cause bad stuff inside you. It's a problem for you. I tell everybody everything. Why are you so open about it?

One of my other angels is Marsali Hancock, who's like 10 years older than me. I don't know how old she is. She's a grandmother. She has like a lot of kids and grandkids, she's one of the Latter-day Saints. They don't like the term Mormons, right?

And I'm like the total secular humanist. I believe in science. It's like, well, if there is a real God, he's kind of a jerk. To let all this suffering happen.

And, my dad, who was in the Seventh Day Adventists church, left the church, said he says he was excommunicated, even they don't have excommunication. Mom said, they were just happy when he stopped showing up making trouble. Then, late in life, he rediscovered God because he just wanted to save people.

He was kind of lost. He just wanted to save people, right? And so once he rediscovered God very suddenly, these are all hilarious stories. And they will be in movies, videos, books.

Tullan’s a film actress and a director and a writer. So she said, I'm going to write the books about you. No, you're not. My buddy Walter Isaacson will be my biographer.

Well, there'll be a lot of books. And I've been telling people this for like 30, 40 years. Hey, whether they're good or bad. So, who do you want to play you in the movie about this?

Or be careful. We're making history here. And who do you want to play you in the movie? If I like them, or if I'm really disturbed by what they did.

It's like, be careful. So I recorded things all along. And anyways, so the thing is, I had to go through this. It's all in there, a lot of these recordings.

I happily, since you're a clinical psychologist, I'll just sit here on the couch or hold you like this because I love hugging and just tell you everything. Because I've told all these other people, and none of these people, even though they're very close to me, they didn't understand, and they only knew bits and pieces of what was going on. I didn't tell them.

When I took on huge sacrifices to save the people at various times, I never told anybody, because I took on my Nobel Laureates mentors, I took them on to defend the people and on principle, because, sometimes rich people do bad things. Using their lawyers and all that sort of stuff.

It's like, no. You can't bribe me. I'm not going to do that. I'm here for a reason.

I'm a commune boy. I'm a hippie boy. I'm an infiltrator of the establishment. I'm not one of the corrupt establishment.

But - do you brag about it when you take on people like that?

Very powerful people that weren't mad at me. It's their damn lawyers, their teams of lawyers. So I understood it. I understand its context.

It’s not my rich and powerful friends. It's not them. It's their lawyers. They're rich, or they work for rich people. So the lawyers are in charge of taking care of their money and they'll do extremely unethical things.

So, I didn't take it personally. I can't, I don't take things personally. I think that's very well balanced, right? And so, the last, so different personas, and I'm rambling because my head is processing so much, I'll show you a video.

Ever see The Watchmen?

IRIS STEINE: By the way, no, but I've heard it’s a movie.

JONATHAN HARE: It was in 2010, it's from a 1985 graphic novel whose premise was, what if Richard Nixon were the president for five terms? I'll send you the videos because I've been sending these things because I've never tried to explain anything before.

People need to understand. We're about to get famous. I'll be like the richest person in the history of mankind, which was not my goal. People are be looking, and digging.

And you're all going to tell your narratives. They're be asking you things you never knew. And it's important that the truth is in there, right? Because it's part of our governance model, human-centered, based on truth.

My old girlfriends won’t know what is happening, right? I'm bringing these people together in advance, I just need to process some emotions because I've never had it this strongly before – because I'm at the finish line. It's all done, right? And I knew that.

And as soon as I knew it, for example, last four years, five years, I got, my good friend, Dr. Bob, who you'll meet, he's one of my best friends. I lived in the same place the whole 30 years. We had like a weekend pad because we like to go to the city.

I have very different sides. I have my different personas. And excuse my rambling, but you're a clinical psychologist. You love this stuff.

IRIS STEINE: Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Everybody else starts worrying about me. Don't worry. I'm just a retrieving stuff. My brain runs like a hundred times faster because, do you realize that, children have like twice the number of normal connections of adults, and but they're like little rivelets and they don't process very fast, they have no models, so they don't think very efficiently, but they form new synaptic connections incredibly quickly.

That's why you can learn really quickly. What if you learned everything as a child deliberately? And what if your mom was a child psychologist living on a Hindu Buddist Ashram trying to find happiness without men because she was so beautiful, but had three children, and her relationships always last about a year, right? And then she says, I'm going to find happiness without men.

She lived on the Ashram and tried that for 10 years. Guess what - it doesn't work. She didn’t find happiness or enlightenment. But I lived on a freaking ashram with people meditating all the time. So I'm a very unusual person.

So why would you think I think the same way? And also, people don't understand me. So they, and by the way, the reason I dated all these models, is just because, I love beautiful people, and I'm like a little puppy – I like to be held. I know exactly where it all came from, by the way.

And I'll tell you, I've told other people because like, I usually don't talk about this stuff, but now I want you to understand because you need to compare notes with everybody because they're going to be coming at you. Elon Musk, everybody he ever dated, they get stalked. He can't go outside, right? It's a really hard life. People don't know.

And I'm going to have that life except, it'll be a really nice life, right? Anyway, so I just wanted to prepare them, so I got my old girlfriends and my old executive assistants together, right?

Because I thought, even if they judge me, it doesn't matter. And I'm here to empower them to lead this thing rather than my power-broker people.

And since they were with me over the years, they actually know my friends or all my connections. And I haven't talked to many of these people in 20 years, right? So I'm not going to talk to them until I'm ready. Especially once I sort of pissed off.

Do you know anything about quantum mechanics, by the way?

IRIS STEINE: A little bit. I'm not going to pretend to understand it.

JONATHAN HARE: I know everything about everything. Seriously.

And I'm sorry for interrupting because it's just, I need to get this out of my system because I need to be able to communicate with normal people. And it'll take about a week. And that's why I just, as soon as I thought I was done, I couldn't watch a science video, like a 15-minute science video anymore.

I used to like, I watched them continuously: them, history, culture, brain, politics, Farzad Zakari. I love that dude, right? I would watch the entire Sunday afternoon schedule of political commentary shows. Then I got down to just Farzad, and the interview or the roundtable segments of Meet the Press because I just can't take most of those idiots.

But then, suddenly, a couple of weeks ago, then I just couldn't watch them anymore. I thought, I guess I'm done. Either I'm done, or I'm it's my brain telling me you’ve got to shut down.

But it's, I'm done, because I knew I was finished with my work. I don't have to work that hard anymore. It's self-organizing, self-funding, self-building. Doesn't need anybody to understand it.

Doesn't need any launch pads, all the people I had around to show we had ecosystem adoption. I don't need VCs. We just transformed the entire financial system.

I don't need anything. That was the plan all along. It's like, holy crap! I did it!

Actually, I see it as a blessing. All the crap I've had to go through. It's like I'm in the simulation hypothesis or whatever. We live in a simulation. Like Elon says.

IRIS STEINE: I know, but the hypothesis, yes, yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: And it's very prevalent among physicists, serious physicists. There's a mathematical basis for all this stuff. All my stuff is based on the same math as Einstein because it's transferable, right? And Elon – he get’s it to.

Totally believes it. Now I get Elon. I have tons of connections to him. And Jack Lewin, by the way, you're going to meet him. He has money available.

Literally, I met with him last week. He tells me he had $100m in discretionary funding available for Hawaii healthcare transformation. All that money he got, and nobody even asked him for it after I went into Einstein mode, they didn't even ask him for it. I wrote everything – the contracts, the plans – and they didn't even ask you for it?

So I said, well, can I have it? And I'll allocate it for you. So that's why I know I have that money. I just had the conversation with him - not about you, because I didn't talk about you.

I didn't even know if I would ever see you again, right? I fall in love a lot. I get very emotionally attached to people. I fall in love a lot.

I fall in love with everybody. So I'm careful, but you're a psychologist. I'm just that way. I love everybody.

And people think it’s that I want to have sex with them? No. That’s not it at all. I told Marsali, who ran iKeepSafe. She worked for Jacqueline Leavitt, who is Michael Leavitt's wife's, the former governor of Utah, and founded iKeepSafe.

Nobody's heard of it as the first child safety network doing child safety stuff. So she's like a wonderful person, human being, and we couldn't be more different. She loves me to death, and I love her to death. But anyway, she's she worked with IEEE, she worked with the UN, UNESCO, everyone.

She once told me, what happens to children and women anytime you turn on the internet in a country. What's the first thing that happens, Iris? What happened when they turned on the Internet in Azerbaijan?

IRIS STEINE: And I don't know.

JONATHAN HARE: Sex trafficking of children and women is the first thing that happened in every country because they have no immune system.

IRIS STEINE: My gosh.

JONATHAN HARE: And they have no resources. And by the way, who's doing it? The powerful people.

And so they get trafficked to like Europe or something. So she feels that pain, right? And so that's what we bonded over, because I feel that pain. My mom was raped.

And I feel that pain too. I've felt everything. And we’re totally different, but she's cool with me. Anyways, the point is, I trust women more than men by far, at least in terms of being caring.

Good governance. All those women, that Finnish prime minister chick and Jacinta in New Zealand. God, why can't we get one of those?

IRIS STEINE: Yeah, Jacinda Ardern.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, she moved to Australia now. By the way, I track everything. All I do, especially in my Einstein mode, here's the thing. Well, my personas are MLK, Martin Luther King, because I went, my parents decided, well, to send me to Malcolm X School to stay with Mrs.Dobson. My teacher from first to fourth grade.

I was trying to do suppress all these memories to just maintain computational capacity. It's like I’m an LLM. You're into AI, right?

IRIS STEINE: Yeah. I know about it.

JONATHAN HARE: Are you familiar with AI? Yes, of course. Yes. You are.

Good. Everybody is like, holy crap. Do you know nothing?

I asked Marsali – do you know about NCIS? She’d never heard of it.

First culture reference she got was David Bowie and Ziggy Stardust because my buddy, my very good buddy, the coolest dude on the fricking planet, Tony Broadbent, was a stage hand that like physically put the silver paint on David Bowies body the first time he did the Ziggy Stardust thing in this old theater in London. And then he turned on the power with those little Frankenstein power switches, and it knocked him across the stage, right? So I have so many cool friends.

But anyway, so she doesn't know any pop culture. I've studied every religion that ever existed in great detail because my mom's Hindu Buddhist ashram is actually a polytheistic thing. Eshwaren was the guru – a professor of English literature at UC Berkeley. Actually, they're all from Berkeley. You may have heard of him. It's the Blue Mountain Center of Meditation.

IRIS STEINE: Blue Mountain Center. I have not heard about it.

JONATHAN HARE: There's a lot of moves. It was, Euclid. Euclid. And then, what's the freaking thing on the north side of the campus where Etsy is?

IRIS STEINE: Hearst?

JONATHAN HARE: On the north side, as you're going up the hill.

IRIS STEINE: And like a large, yeah. So Euclid is going up the hill. Do you mean Euclid?

JONATHAN HARE: But what's the one that's perpendicular? Marin. No, right next to the street, next to the university. It's right past Edgebury Hall.

Soda Hall. No, is it Soda Hall? I haven't been there in a while. I was born in Berkeley, right?

IRIS STEINE: Wonderful, Center Street. It's next to University Avenue.

JONATHAN HARE: I'll picture you. Where do you go to school? What part? It's a big campus.

IRIS STEINE: So I, when I was affiliated with Berkeley, I was at the Department of Psychology, which is now a brand new building outside of campus. So it's like on Shadow Avenue. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: I was born in an Alta Bates Hospital, second floor of West Swing. My mom knows the exact second because for a while she was into astrology. So she had to get the exact minute to figure my rising sign is Leo. I don't believe in any of that stuff, but it's interesting.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah, I also don't believe in any of the stuff, but I also don't know what it means.

JONATHAN HARE: People are trying all my girlfriends that lived with me and stuff like that. That's not true. I tried scientists, but I tried physicists, and they have no heart and soul. They're kind of cold.

Yeah, they don't have this. I'm a touchy-feely person. Even though I'm hardest core freaking physicist. I'm all these things, right?

So it's like, gosh, I'll just talk to him. Why would you want to sleep with him? Daisy, what's her name? Daisy, whatever, this beautiful Harvard neurophysiologist.

Anyways, I know something like that. I was just like, holy shit. That's how I met the Delara. Did you see their picture?

IRIS STEINE: So there were many pictures. I don't know if I can attach them.

JONATHAN HARE: I'll all the stuff, but she lives like right in Oakland. So, I met her at the huge conference and all these cool small conference. You sent her a week, and it was and you'll meet my buddy. And by the way, I'm very optimistic.

So, whenever I meet somebody, I assume we're going to the distance. And what I always do is like, are they perfect? Great. I would never feel trapped.

That's happened like once. Right? And I'm not assuming anything about you because that assumes I control you. It's like, I don't want, why would I want to control anybody?

I want lots of people, and then something will emerge, and that will be fine. But usually, I get fixed-or uppers, right? So, Tulan, see, I'm rambling all over the place, which is why you need to talk to my angels because they're much,. Slower speed and they're so sweet.

They're all super sweet. And now yep, he never has raised his voice ever, not one time. I never complain in a personal relationship. Work can be a bit of a tyrant because you got the model wrong.

That's not right. I'm like Bill Gates and his Gloriers or Steve Jobs. I'm nicer than they are, but there's an answer. And if you're doing it wrong, what I usually do is, God damn it, I'll do it myself.

So I did. So I've been working for, so I lived in this place for, I'm totally rambling. So please forgive me. I have to get this out of my system.

So I can talk normally because, and I need to be understood. Have you ever seen The Who?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No.

JONATHAN HARE: Not the Who, Doctor Who, Doctor Who. Actually, seen The Who like three times. They're great. But the Who is like the most popular science fiction series.

Because it started in 1963 in Britain. And they have this guy, the doctor, who's a time lord. It's it's great, even Marshley, who never watches anything. She, yeah, I've been watching him since a child, it scares me.

It's like this science fiction thing. So he's reborn periodically, and he's a time, it's a different species. He got a test earth, whatever. I'll send you the damn video because I've been trying to communicate.

It's like, they need metaphors, they'll never comprehend, they'll never even try to read the stuff and understand. They can't go back in time and establish the mental models I have to. Because, like, if you don't, you can only communicate. If you have mental models, it's like a coordinate space, like a Riemann manifold.

You can express any information, and it is a multi-dimensional Riemann manifold. It's exactly how the whole thing works. And so, you can express any information with a small number of coordinates. But if somebody has a different coordinate system, they can't communicate at all.

You have to like type with texting or talk, and it's extremely inefficient. And people over here, they're hearing in their model, so they're totally different. They're experiencing life differently. What?

So it's like relativity of memories. It's like you don't have the same memories because even though you're physically there observing the same thing, you have a completely different memory. You perceived it differently, you saw different things because the brain doesn't retain everything, right? Retains something and it fills in the gaps based on your model.

So, no, that's why eyewitness testimony sucks so bad, right?

IRIS STEINE: So, anyways, perception is, yeah, very can be different people perceive different things, right?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, and the thing is, these people, I'm trying to teach them neurophysiology and physics and all this stuff, because like, this is what you need to understand. It's like, by the way, I want you to understand that stuff because if you want to speak for our mission. Either you get there or you'll be left behind on earth because we're going to heaven on earth. I don't believe in heaven, but heaven on earth, that we can do.

And I have other people in mind that weren't, shouldn't go through what I had to go through with you over the last five years. So I just cut myself off from them, but I'm going to go back, right? And get them. And it'll be great.

But, I don't want to leave you behind. I don't to think you're being left behind because that will hurt people. They'll carry people, you So, anyways, I get fixed her up or so to launch thing just so and you can ask her herself. And I told her, This is, she, I know her better than anybody, and I don't know her that well.

So she was Swedish. Her worked for IBM in the UN. So she was raised in. Vienna and Africa and, Sweden and always mostly American schools.

She's like the only Swede who I ever met who didn't like to get naked or wasn't cool with it. What? Cause like, seriously, because she went to American schools. And Americans are freaking up tight, right?

I've been to Sweden, their grandma's naked outside in the sauna.

IRIS STEINE: The sauna, I guess what you mean, yeah, the sauna culture, or whatever.

JONATHAN HARE: I was just, I was raised in our commune, yeah, they're a bunch of rich kids who were smoking dope, and they're doctors. We ran the free clinic and getting naked. It was basically, let's violate any arbitrary social mores which are imposed on us by,. Western values or something like that.

So it's like, yeah, you wear clothes if it's cold or if you're going to hook yourself on something. But if you're going to the, to the outhouse, why would you put clothes on? And they were kind of half-nudiced. So I've seen more naked women by the time I was 12 than most men will an entire lifetime.

Didn't think any of it. When you're that age, yeah. If you go to like, do they even think of it? And I'm not trying to get you naked, although I'm sure it's look for you.

That's not my agenda. So, anyways, so that's the way raised. I was talking to Marshall. I talked to all women last week.

Guys, you go through my angels. Don't try and talk to me. You won't like it. I have zero patience, right?

I don't have the energy. I can barely. Walk. Once I got to the finish line, how you have this adrenaline thing, right?

Or like you're running in the Olympics. So you just train, train. And at the end, it's over one way or the other. You just collapse.

You just need to regenerate yourself. I don't know what that problem is. There's something in your brain, some sort of neuro adrenaline. There's something going on in your brain, fight or flight type stuff that just keeps you going, right?

What is that? Normally, I just ask, if I need to know it, I just ask, AI, but since you're if you mean that you had been had you been at a very high speed and stressed out for like, say you're cramming for finals, yeah, and you just power through it and then you get sick, yeah, probably at the end because you just relax, right? So you're it's basically says, it's it's okay, I can let my guard down a little bit,. So you built up some stuff, so it was some comments.

So, the thing is, I started, it's like, I couldn't watch anything, so then I watched. A music video channel for the first time in 20 years. I thought they were gone because MTV and VHM used to be all video. My sister worked there.

I've met, that's where half these stupid models is, you through her, right? She's a filmmaker. But anyways, because I'm not into models, people think I am. It's like, yeah, it's just so I smile and they're pretty and they'll, they'll like my lifestyle and I'm fun and I'm not afraid of them.

Everybody's afraid of beautiful people. I'm not like,. I'm not afraid of anything. When I'm looking good, when I saw you, I felt like a pig.

So I do notice I avoided you at the I stayed away from you at the party.

IRIS STEINE: I didn't know. I did not know this. I did. I just felt you were talking a lot of people.

JONATHAN HARE: And by the way, I always tell the truth, the 100% truth, nothing but the truth. It's not just easy to remember. It's like, then, how do you explain if you change your story? It hurts people.

They are mad at you. Track yeah right and it's like well if I anyway so it's like well she's I was crushing on you hard but it was just because you fit the mission and you're beautiful and you're smart and you have this ridiculously hot body that's like you do obviously I saw that cat suit or what's that thing your little it's in your facebook profile yeah it's in blue you had a wig on. It must have been an Austin Powers thing or something. Yeah.

IRIS STEINE: There was a spy theme. And I remember that. It was a spy theme. Yes.

A spy theme, yeah. And I think like a 60s spy or something.

JONATHAN HARE: I didn't want you to think talking, but I've been watching you on Facebook ever since, just because you were cool. And that's how I maintain the memory, right? Because otherwise, I would have totally forgotten.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: God summoned me to you.

JONATHAN HARE: Unless I reminded you, or without those pictures, would you have remembered me? Without the experience of Carlos.

IRIS STEINE: Yeah, pictures help for sure. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: And experience. So if I don't even know how we met. Did we meet online or something?

IRIS STEINE: I don't, I also, I asked myself the same question today, and I also don't remember.

JONATHAN HARE: I think so. Because I had, I used to have, a girlfriend who's super beautiful, 23 years old. This is like five years ago. Stunning, most jealous woman ever.

She made me like, she tried to make me destroy my pictures. Woman, no, these are my treasured memories because I gave her access to all my phones. She was like, super jealous. Why are you jealous?

Why? I'm me, and you're like, it's the Brazilian Israeli American five languages, top of her class at UCLA, dated a super rich billionaire dude who beat her. Unconscious into the freaking hospital. Then she had to flee.

Nobody knows this, right? Her mother said, Okay, you're going to Miami. She was, she's off social media still because all of her boyfriends are still stalking her, right? And just, and actually, here's the story how I met her.

I was, I needed to go to Sundance for a meeting with some friends of Marshley's, these LDS people that had money and were helping. I know all the governors in Utah, and we're really connected in Utah. Just because, wherever I go, I meet people and people can smell the vision, the genuine passion. People feel that.

They remember it, and they'll help you out. So, anyways, but just sort of a random walk. And then I have this girlfriend, Colette, a girlfriend for several years. Still, by the way, I've only broken, I've never broken up with a girlfriend.

I let them find another path and make them feel good about it. Because otherwise, I would feel bad about ruining their life. And it's like, I don't want the responsibility to ruin their life. Every time I cry when I break it with a girlfriend, I'm happy because they have a new boyfriend.

What? Thank God. Because I didn't want to be responsible for ruining your life because I'm so adorable. And, you just have to get him a good match.

Anyway, well, I'll tell you the Jealon story because it's the best. It's the most meaningful for me, right? And the best. Whatever.

We don't rate things. But, anyways, so I was traveling around, I was a poor child, but I, got money. And after I graduated Stanford, I, yeah, I knew I was have this mission. So I was like, I'm going to have the most fun I possibly can in three months.

I'd been like two weeks to Greece, all the Greek islands once with my buddies. And you'll meet Dr. Bob's like the legend. I was amazing, right?

Because then I was. Was huge and bulky. I a scrawniest guy forever. Then I just started working out.

I'm very driven. So when I do something, holy crap, I put on 50 pounds of muscle. And people, women wanted me for my body. They were disappointed I had a brain because, I just wanted to sleep with you.

Rich women. Going to Stanford Business School? Shit. It's like, what?

Anyway, so. That was fun. And it's like, well, I might die in this job or whatever. So I might as well have some strong positive memories.

So if you have a really intense body, and if you're in Europe traveling, right? So I went to like all over the place, Copenhagen. To whole story. I'll tell you some other time because it's going to be in movies and videos because I want all those people to combine their stories.

Yep, pictures, tell your story, not about me, right? It's just, it's a way to connect with all these different cultures, right? Nobody can identify with me or very few people, maybe, no. I'm unique.

Elon is unique. Most people that are weird are unique. And there's nothing wrong with it. Right.

So anyways, on a whim, I left this beautiful woman in, I'll tell a story. I tell too many stories, but so I went all the way down to Florence on a night train that took two days, right? And so I was walking around. I like struck out three times on the language barrier.

Came close because if they don't speak any English, it makes it very difficult, right? Then I see this beautiful blonde woman who is like, it's like, well, she looks like an English speaker. She's clearly Swedish. Went up to her and hit it off.

It was actually her sister, Chulan's sister, Mollin, who had a boyfriend, but I had real shoes on, not sneakers. All the Americans had sneakers. When I went to Berkeley, I wore a, I carried a briefcase. I wore suits.

Entire time at Berkeley as a freshman. I did not try to blend, right? I listened to classical music exclusively. Talon's took me to the first real concert.

I knew every concert. I could name the tune.

IRIS STEINE: Remember now that you also like classical music? Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. No, it was all I listened to. It was just my way of being superior. You need to have some way.

First of all, I do love it. My grandmother loved it. So I visited my grandmother and we just listened to all classical music. And once you've heard it enough, you can tell the composer and you can tell how they compose.

So, you in America, here I go rambling again because I've been reminiscing for weeks. I'm just recovering these memories. What was my first grade teacher's name? Mrs.

Dobson. I hadn't thought of her in 30 years, right? And I treasure her. And, anyways, I'm going to start crying.

She was the one that I followed to Malcolm X school to experience life as a minority. That was the idea. Plus, she was there. So that's why I can, why I can channel.

Being MLK because I thought it was blacks. Why do they do that to us? The slavery is horrible. You, anyway, so see, I told you, prone to crying.

And maybe we won't publish this one. This will be just for you. Anyway, let's just say that. This will be just for research purposes because I'm, I don't say most of these things on tape.

I say it to the girls, and they're supposed to tell other people. And they won't talk to each other. They're starting to, and said, You must talk to each other. Why did I do this so that you could just know and like mother me?

I don't need your help. I'm joyous. You just tell them, just everybody's worried about me. Some of them think I'm having a psychological break because I'm saying, Who's this woman here?

She's like a, I saw some beautiful act, singer, never seen her before. And I just watched her whole thing because it was the first thing I turned on when I listened to a music video for 20 years. And it turns out yeah I looked her up it's like yeah she was really popular in the 1990s to 20 whatever 10 the most popular hispanic music person ever it's like I never saw her before what's her name I can't remember I put sent it out to him because I'm I am first of all expressing my first of all I can communicate through these do you ever see interstellar that one I saw yeah wait a minute.

IRIS STEINE: My battery is almost about to run flat. Let me just find a charger.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay, good. I'll get some water because I'm sweating now. And see where. By the way, I love your see her, but I never did that because I knew the Trump culture was out there.

And it's like, that's going to piss them off. And they will look for that crap as a signal. Between you and I, since we're not share this thing, I despise Trump with a passion. He's like the absolute opposite of everything I believe in.

Everything he does is the opposite of good, except he's promoter self. And most people, or there's most people, I was arguing with my girlfriend, Colette, because all she does is watch TikTok videos and free Palestine. And it's like, do what? Do the other side of the story?

Or like, yeah, to kill those people. It's like, woman, you can't kill anybody just because you have to understand the context. I know I have a strategy to save all this stuff really easily, by the way. And it's like, I can't have you as a spokesperson if you're talking that way because I know tons of Jews.

And like, it's not right. Right. And do the history? None of them know any of the history.

Right. So anyways, the thing is, you got to get balanced. Right. Anyways, so I didn't do that because I actually, whatever.

I'll, by the way, I'll stop these diversions and take you through the real content because I'm having such a good time. Because I've been, how people want to bury their souls to somebody who would understand, and I think Eileen, by the way, could do it because she's, she's, you saw, did you see her video?

IRIS STEINE: And I saw her video. Yes, that's the one I've seen.

JONATHAN HARE: You actually watched the one that I've watched all her videos now. This is the first person I've ever followed on Instagram. I didn't know how to do it. Wow.

So I had to like ask Chats to be like, How do you? Follow somebody? Because I just was trying to explain to my buddy Mark Singer, who you'll meet. He's like the senior partner emeritus from McKinsey, who wrote all he's a great guy, classmate, loved him.

He wrote this book called Net Gain, which predicted the freaking internet with Jonathan. What's his freaking name? Jonathan Hegel III, who ran the whole network computing. Blah, blah.

These are big people. He was my classmate. We were just section mates. And once he read that book, know, I reached out, hey, dude, let's hang out.

You remember that. Now he's one of our biggest investors. And it's like, he's my, we're, it's like, he's now, I have so many connections. What I really need, by the way, is a companion that I trust just to be there with me because I'm not the right person to connect with.

And I get lonely. And it's not about sex. It's just like company when you're traveling all the time. You just get lonely and I just deal with it.

It's not like I don't like to be alone at all. But you have to sometimes. In a war, are people whining about being lonely? If you're in World War II, they're not whining.

So I've never whine except to myself. I don't whine to myself. I just process it like you'll be, you'll save the world then. They'll recognize that someday.

Just keep your freaking mouth shut because nobody wants to hear a whiner. They only want to hear it if you succeed. And I just have the obligation to be this spectacular success because otherwise people only pay attention to people they think are successes like Trump. Because of apprentice.

I it's sad. So, politics broken. Everything's broken. So, by the way, we are And now I've done it.

I proved it. It's like thousands of pages, corpus. By the way, nobody can get there. It's so deep.

We're just trying to get all the higher layers that explain it in different ways and get people to realize: do you realize you don't have to do anything? Do what the, did I ever tell you what the ecosystem is worth according to really detailed? First principles, bottoms up, I'm a really good modeler. That was my major at Berkeley, industrial engineering, operations research based on simulation modeling and dynamic systems.

Then I worked at Cornerstone Research, then Mac Research, with all the top Nobel laureates doing expert testimony for complex business litigation. So I worked, I was the smartest guy there in 40 years at Sanford Business School, asked the dean, who's my vice chairman, Dean Spence, who won Nobel Prize, Mark Wolfson, who's the associate dean. Who anyways, Myron Schultz, I know all those guys. It's like, I learned, I sucked their brains dry and taught them shit almost immediately, right?

Because, my, that's my stock. All those, all those people, they did their best work in their 20s, right? And I did my best work starting when my brain was still plastic, what which means you can actually get a model of everything. Right.

And I'll get to the other thing. The one thing that you make me cry because I'm very attached to you. And I got lots of others. By the way, one of the other things I do just to take pressure off people because I can be overwhelming.

I just can't control myself when I'm at all. So it's either affection or drive or defending people. I can't, I have to, it takes a lot of effort to hold back. Right.

So I'm too old for that anymore. But anyway, so that's why I have all these girls I fall. Amanda Seifret. I said her.

Do Amanda Seifre?

IRIS STEINE: The actress?

JONATHAN HARE: Yes. So I've been to, I've read Les Miz four times. I've seen it on stage six times, I forget. Seen the movie 50 times.

So I fell in love with one. It took me seven years to finally meet her until I actually sent this out because I'm telling my narrative, right? They're really fun. I was like, what are you talking about?

Anyways, Kuba Gooding Jr. Stole that one from me in the elevator down because he danced better. I forgot how to do ballroom dancing. And then he danced in, doing his little thing.

And it's like, he stole my girl after, anyways. But Amanda Seifried, she was in Mean Girls, which is like not her. And then, do you remember Cosette? And you played Cosette.

It's only like, I'll send you the video because you don't need to watch it, but she sings like an angel. And it's the scene with Eponine and Cassette. And remember the love, like the I'm Eponine, the unrequited love. That spoke to me, but she's so beautiful.

And the thing is, she had huge stage fright as a child. She's so beautiful. And she had only when she started singing. That she got over it.

Now she's a famous actress. She does like she's just super great. And now she's like 40 something or other. She's has kids.

She lives in New Hampshire. And so I just saw, and I track these. If I'm into somebody, I research them just because it's a relationship for me. I've worked.

I have these periods where I have a girlfriend, like a couple of years, most of them fairly short because they're just using me. It's a mutually synergistic thing. What? So if you're a beautiful woman, they flit around just like guys do.

What? And I'm just like the nice guy. All my rich buddies cast offs because they're, when they're pissed, they want to make a statement. So then they just throw themselves at me and like, I catch them.

Seriously. I'm just never hit on him, just nice. And it's like, God damn that guy. Yeah, boom.

Anyways, but so I'm doing all this because if you just saw snippets of it, you would totally mistrust me. It's like I'm just joyous and super nice. And I always find perfect women for me, or I just help them leave them better than they started. That's my goal.

So going back to Tulane, so I met her in Florence. I was with Malin. And by the way, I can picture this everything because if I don't know if about. I've studied so much neurology.

This is not normal stuff because you normally deal with people with psycho going on, right? So, most actually, clinical psychologists, my friend's wife, my employee's wife, clinical psychologist, and her dad, who's a super famous guy, says, Never seen somebody like you. We only get people out of prison, like you can study them, that stuff. So, can I do the Rorschach test?

And the Rorschach test, and yeah. And I never knew what it was. And you can't know what it is to take it. So I'm a ENTP, right?

And I knew what that was because everybody takes, but that's a self-assessment, right? So it's just a way to, it's useful. Then I did the ink black test and then she sent it, Warstock test, sent it to her father. It's like, this is the most intelligent, well-balanced, blah, blah person we've ever seen.

And he's an ENTP. So that shit says, you're just buttering me up to get your husband a raise. That's what I heard. I said, yeah, that's true.

But it's like, more likely you're just buttering up. Cause how do you get it from inkblots, right? So she explained how it worked, right? I didn't know how it worked.

It's like how many things you see. There's a lot of different factors. They actually have, as a methodology for how worst hog test works, which nobody knows, even though, because if you knew it wouldn't work, right? So I guess I can never take it again.

And so it's like, that's interesting. So you were able to, and you say you didn't do it. Your dad did it. And he didn't know my name.

And he didn't know if I was like a prison population. It's like, yeah, I didn't tell him anything. Okay, that's a pretty well-controlled trial, isn't it? And he's a world-class.

And it's like, ENTP, that's the self-same. It's like, it must be true. That's actually a concealment so if you get two different bodies knowledge that they align and you can test them that means it's likely to be true what so anyways so tulan so I see malin and by the way I'm telling this i've been reliving these things with my girlfriends to make sure they remember it's like I know tulan you've been married for 30 years and you have these three children and she'll love me I every time I talk to her I love you love you then she never says like I know you can't say it I never say it's like you don't need to say it husband's there and he's we don't need to cause marriage difficult I'm not trying to get back with her she's like almost as old as I am what or whatever I wouldn't ever do this she's totally wrong for me but anyways but I love her but anyways so here's molin and then yeah she told me yeah come back I'll bring my sister so there's these three girls have you ever been to philanza florence I've been to Florence, yes. No, not Florence.

Not Florence. You haven't been to Florence?

IRIS STEINE: God. Been to Florence. Yes.

JONATHAN HARE: Well, she lived there. We dated for four years while she was in Florence. And I've been there like 30 times. So, anyways, but when I first saw her, there's this, the big square where the fake David is, and the Uffizi and all that stuff come around.

And there's these three beautiful, tall, 6'5-11 blondes. And, Tulane looked angry because they're being chased by a giant pack of men, like always happens. Italians lose their minds over blonde, tall, Swedish women, because they, and Americans too, because they think Americans are loose. Everybody who goes to foreign countries are loose because I'm never going to see these people again.

So they always want to find them. Anyways, and they're angry. And as soon as I start, I was like, holy crap, how do I switch to her? Because Mollin, who had a better body, is like, she's per, I just.

Had this feeling. Turns out Mollin was just trying to set me up with her because she'd only had one boyfriend in her life, and he turned out to be a dick. And their father had committed suicide. So they've traveled all over.

Her mother was actually a psychologist. I forget. It's different, right? I know, but she was out in there.

Counseling spurned American divorce, whatever. She was dealing with shit like that. But the main reason is they travel all the world. And when he was like, I don't know how long she was, maybe 17, he committed suicide.

There's, and she was so, he was her rock. And the problem with Tulan is her happiness comes from other people, right? So her, and especially men, that was her anchor. I her mother is.

Is loving, but she was into tarot cards and astrals, all the crazy shit. What? She turned out to be after, I don't know if she was a lesbian, but she, her partner was Carolyn Barron, super nice woman, about 20 years younger. Played the guitar.

It's like, that's, yeah, that's my other mom. It's like, I was the only one to accept her, by the way. Everybody was what the fuck are you doing? Anyway, so I see her, and then it turns out they're just trying to set me off for them.

And then the other girl, by the way. Tried to talk me out yeah, here's all their problems because she wanted to date me or whatever. And no, well, I'm just having dinner with too long. So that was how we met.

Three dates later, there's she lived on Poggio and Perale, which is the mountain above behind where the Uffiti Palace is, where the, where the, whatchamacallit people that, what's the main family that dominated Frontlines for 300 years. I'm having a mental block. Anyways, Medicis. Yeah, that's where the Medicis live.

Across the, anyways, so beautiful. It was like a big estate, a small building and a big estate. And there's this garden, right? And I said, and he was like, sweetheart, here's what the future is.

We're going to be together and love each other for probably four or five years. I will make you whole. I will make you trust yourself. Because you, if you don't trust yourself, you can never truly be happy.

And I can't be responsible for somebody else's happiness while I'm saving the world, right? Then I'll break my own heart, but we'll be friends forever. So I said that then, and so it's like, Do you remember that? Yeah, I do remember that.

It's like, isn't that exactly what happened? Because I saw the whole thing. I know people, I'm I think more about them than whatever. It are I connected.

I don't know. Maybe, yeah, it's probably not. I connect with people that I connect with. And so when I connect with them, I feel that.

I'm probably often wrong. Sort of this optimism bias that I have. I'm super optimistic about you. For all you're not a cellular color, but there could be something very often.

I'm wrong, actually. Actually, truth be told, I just very hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: None of us are psychic. We can't, we can't always get it right. We can get it.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, because it's not psychic. And then the thing is, but I bounce well. So if I head first, if, and I'm, I don't have time for love. I just need to work, right?

That's my passion. Now, if we can work together, I'm not looking for a relationship. I'm with a perpetual friendship, is what I want, right? But, anyways, but I don't have speaking for more friends.

Yeah, I'm too. Honestly, and I can tell you this, I'm too old. I'm not even that into sex anymore. I'm tired.

It's just, I probably have performance anxieties because, like, I haven't practiced in a very long time.

IRIS STEINE: So, keep in extremely busy.

JONATHAN HARE: No, I had as a mercy thing, my friend Dr. Bob, he can tell you, there's this very sexually liberated, adoptee Filipino woman who is very proud of her breasts and everybody. Likes him. And I was, I'm such a nice gentleman.

She drinks too much and she loves her boobies, right? She guesses her. So I hadn't date, I haven't dated anybody in a long time, like five years, something like that, or ever since when did Gabriella move out? 2022.

Yeah. How long is that? Four years? Yeah.

IRIS STEINE: It's four years. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. Anyways, I'm probably boring you. I hate to do this, but anyway, so I like, one time because for my birthday I wasn't gonna do anything that probably set her up to go out well I was the one where they took my hands and put on her breasts like why are you doing that because she would have slapped them and I was just nice and she was drunk and they just wanted to have her boobs I was like and I like guys that's not cool so she liked me and so that was my birthday thing and she did this whole lap dance which had never done before right? So, that's my last experience in the last since Gabriella, the super babe, moved out.

And I don't care because I was working, right? I wasn't even thinking about it, right? I just like hugs, what? Anyways, that's too much information, but you can ask all the girls they all know.

They're my references. I can tell you everything I want. It's like, well, maybe he's just trying to manipulate me because usually men are. People, it's a genetic procreation thing.

Like, what gets them? And it's like, women, what? What? They lie to themselves too much.

Guys are rewarded for telling what they want to hear, not what's true. What? So I always tell the truth. Anyways, long story short.

So I haven't, yeah, I've worked. So my place I lived in for 30 years, I had to move out after he needed to renovate it. So I moved into his house for six months. Then Soli, who I love to death.

Who you'll meet, she came with me to the Berkeley thing. Remember her? She's like, she's fantastic. And I've hugged her for maximum three minutes because I know she lives with her boyfriend with two kids.

She's beautiful. Everybody loves her. It's ridiculous. I know boundaries.

If you, if you go one inch beyond the boundaries, it'll piss her off. So don't do that because you ruin a friendship. And I got, she's not as hot as most of the girls I date physically, but I love her. Her.

And that's great. And mainly because I get to travel around with her, right? And meet people. And she incredible people.

I wanted you to meet. She met them, right? And so that's fun, but she's got this damn boyfriend, all this stuff, and she can't travel much because she's got all this, whatever the hell. So, anyway, so that, so, anyways, now as of six months ago, I have all these people and all this stuff.

And there, I was just sort of working. I've developed a whole model, everything. You have to, and I'll walk through this next. I'll stop talking about this stuff.

It's just very therapeutic. Is that, and I'll stop crying. Unless I talk about Ed Wilson, Eo Wilson, then I cry every time about a particular episode. But, anyways, yeah.

I said, it's just not happening that I couldn't get them to read the patents. I wrote this agreement where they could make billions of dollars by sending emails and people wouldn't read the agreement to sign it. Maybe they're getting tired of waiting. And maybe the reality is they just never understood it.

But since I lined up this freaking billion dollar contract from Jack and everybody knew it was going entirely through me, I was really just the admin to get them a meeting with Jack so they could get some of his money, right? That was the deal. And then and then by the way so and then by the way my beautiful z8 remember that thing do remember those yeah you were in the picture car yeah it's worth like three hundred thousand dollars if you don't have like a hundred thousand miles on it I love that car it's like jane fond wrote it that's why I bought it right or it's just freaking beautiful right you look you look you're a great bond woman by the way that was your looks like god damn she pulled that off I see it you still got it up right Anyways, I love that car, but I drive very carefully because I have to stay alive for life. I haven't had a ticket in 20 years, right?

So I went to visit my mom or for Thanksgiving, saw the whole family. That's the only time I do is if I go, I can't leave because by the way, I got so poor, I covered all the costs. I had zero money, zero money. I haven't paid rent here in two years.

Well, solely said, yeah, you can remove in three months, like no problem. And, she'll be extremely well taken care of We have no understanding, right? But, it's like, I pay her expenses. She worked for EP3, blah, blah.

So the point is like, she just cares about me. And now we don't talk anymore because she probably's getting shit from her parents and her husband or her boyfriend. So we just, I couldn't talk to her anymore. Right.

So, but the Einstein mode, do Einstein's history, by the way?

IRIS STEINE: Way, and what part of the history do Yeah, do you mean points and Einstein's?

JONATHAN HARE: No, Einstein's clocks and Poincare's maps. It tells a whole history of how he discovered general relative, or actually, special relativity and general relativity. Because I always want to know how did you come up with it, not what is it? It's easy to understand what it's been like, What mental process did you use to figure it out?

Right? So, the thing is, what's that?

IRIS STEINE: Poincare maps.

IRIS STEINE: I hadn't heard of that.

JONATHAN HARE: Poincaré. He's Henri Poincaré. I think he's a French mathematician. And in fact, he's the one that developed the math for topological spaces.

And he took Riemann's manifolds, which is a non-Euclidean hyperdimensional space, which is the basis of all reality. If you believe, if you understand physics. Everything emerges from physics that is a root they just haven't been able to unify them I have by the way that's why I'm get 50 I won't because you only get one but there'll be at least 53 noble prizes and you can have like one because one you can have one per category pretty much isn't that the rule kind of wouldn't know I don't know only one person has gotten two who it is because I said marie curie I'm so glad.

IRIS STEINE: I'm glad.

JONATHAN HARE: Why? Because they didn't give Nobel Prizes to women. She got a joint with her husband for physics.

IRIS STEINE: I see.

JONATHAN HARE: And then he died, right? And then she got another one for chemistry. Because when she got the Nobel Prize, she was the one woman hanging out with the crew down at the Solvane conferences with Niels Bohr and, all those guys. She was the one because.

Nobel Prize. I've seen that picture.

IRIS STEINE: Yeah, I've seen that picture. It's pretty powerful. All these 30, 40, 50 older men with white hair and then very sweetheart.

JONATHAN HARE: And by the way, I call everybody sweetheart, all women. I call everybody that I know, well, baby, man or female. So don't take it the wrong way. Some people.

Yeah.

IRIS STEINE: Yeah, that's a sweet thing to do.

JONATHAN HARE: It's just true. It's like, it's how I feel. My biggest problem when I was involved when I was super rich. Don't say I love you to like a business associate, what I So, you I've gotten over, no, I haven't, and it, anyway.

So I've studied that life histories of every important scientist and like who they borrowed from So it turns out that Einstein actually got all the math for special relativity was done by Poincaré.

JONATHAN HARE: Interesting.

JONATHAN HARE: Couldn't let go, it's all math. And he just, they had something called ether. Things travel, waves travel through some medium, right? That was perception.

So they invented this medium called ether. The French call it A E T H R the English call it E H.

IRIS STEINE: Space time. It doesn't exist.

JONATHAN HARE: They just invented a thing. And we have no idea what space and time is today. We have no idea what it is. It's probably math.

I think it is probably just numbers, right? But at the time, they insisted on doing. And Einstein said, screw that. He did thought experiments.

So he wasn't as good. He's a fantastic mathematician, but he didn't think like mathematician. He thought through thought experiments. Now, why is that?

Because he was so much smarter. And different, he never got an academic appointment. So they got him this cush job at the burn freaking patent office because he could do it in like 10 minutes. And he just thought So he was by himself, just thinking, running thought extraction.

The thing is, at the time, what was the most important event going on? It's clock synchronization because days there wasn't a universal standard time. Different times in every town. So when trains are traveling.

And you have different times, it's very hard to coordinate trains and then they run into each other. So, the most important technology was clock synchronization. So, he did like 50 patents for clock synchronization. Meanwhile, Poincaré is doing his map stuff.

What if space can be curved? Blah, blah. So, he combined those things, like, okay, I'll just combine it with like special relativity. Everything was done by Poincaré, and he just, but he couldn't let go of conventionality.

Right? Then he, and by the way, this is all I have audio things where I do this. And then I have the, notebook LM. It's a, you got it.

I'll take, I'll teach you everything because you'll love it. It's Google has this thing. It's the thing where it uses rag, what? So it puts just your corpus, right?

And it generates presentations, audio, notebook LM.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:21 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, I've used it in my last job, actually. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:24 - Jonathan Hare Yeah, of are just derived from my corpus. See, guys, when you nail it will just any topic. I have general intelligence for conciliance, which is the most important stuff. Yeah, it was like, give me this pitch, give me the for this person, like, you do it.

It's like, you have to get the root, you have to layer it up. Otherwise, it's wrong. You're lying to yourselves. Anyway, so he won.

So then he did general attitude. It took about seven years. By the way. So when he, so do it's miracle year?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:56 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Miracle year. I haven't heard that term.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:01:57 - Jonathan Hare So in 1905, I'll take you all these places. So I went to the 100th anniversary of Einstein's miracle year. So the miracle years were in Aspen. So, and I saw all my favorite physicists, all the biggest ones there, all there because we all bowed down to Einstein.

So he wrote four Nobel-worthy papers in 1905. One was on effects, where light quanta. That's where quantum mechanics came from He did special relativity, which he borrowed from Poincaré, but he's that did it. And two others, one was like Brownie motion.

And I forget where the fourth one is, it's kind of minor. But, anyways, but they're all Nobel-worthy. Now, do? So then it took him about, yeah.

Then, how many people you think read that paper? And what do you think their reaction was?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:40 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Probably very few, and they did not support it.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:43 - Jonathan Hare Hopefully, his wife read it, and a couple buddies, that was it, because a patent clerk. And if you read the implications, like everything you all did is wrong, you're idiots, you wasted your lives. But they didn't read it because he didn't rate it. He didn't, he wasn't, he didn't have an academic post.

So his former professor who didn't like him, because he's a pure mathematician, his name Manikoff or something. I had to ask AI. I've read all the stuff you like, but AI helps me remember. Anyway, so he finally read it and gave a lecture, which everybody attended, where he says, when he said three dimensions and time, If you the math, it dimensions or space-time.

So Einstein was pissed because he contradicted him, but everybody paid attention. And then he just did his math. It's like, yeah, he's right. It's the only way it could be true.

And then he died. Manikoff. In 1909 of some shit that's communicable disease or something. Then, so it took him another seven years to discover general relativity.

Did anybody believe it? And then paying attention by this time, and nobody believed it. Complete garbage. A kitty?

What kind of kitty is it?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:50 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Cat sitting for someone. So this is the oldest cat I've ever interacted with. It's guess how old it is. I didn't even know.

14.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:59 - Jonathan Hare 18. We had a kid. Cat was 20 once, but 23.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:04:04 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Holy fuck! Yeah, I didn't know cats could get that old.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:04:06 - Jonathan Hare No, this one was like so threadbare. It was like you almost felt sorry for it being alive, but it was sweet.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:04:13 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, it's so sweet. Then it's like, I think he's like maybe halfway blind or halfway deaf. So he's like, really, he's moving his head. And then whenever he detects me, then he's like, he's like being very cuddly, but I'm not sure he can actually see.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:04:27 - Jonathan Hare It does matter. He can feel you. By the way. I love animals and handicapped people I'm such a softie so like there's a story I haven't told in forever my mom she won't remember she's like people think i've just rescued women right so I was a lifelong vegetarian until I was 18 because we didn't want to kill anything that was sentient what we were overlacted vegetarians so there's this we used to live in this hundred year old chicken shack I kid you not out in the middle of nowhere, half a mile from my dear love Lorinda, who drove a Camaro and a Maserati, right?

By in a house with no paint, anyways, because we were in a sheep thing, and so, anyways, I saw sheep they would go by and they got stuck. It's like, what's the matter? It's like crying. So, I went out there in my little rain suit, and there's this like sheep that got stuck, they had like holes, and they're big and fat, right?

I stayed, it suffocating. I stayed there all night long to keep that thing alive until the guy came morning he came in and he killed it. I was so pissed. It's like, well, his leg was broken.

Well, can't you fix it? So I love animals. So that's why I can never, like, I've had three people offer me Don Trump because he's got $3 billion. And he said, all these good friends, they're good, decent people.

I think he's an asshole. Excuse my French. By I'm stopping swearing. You'll see a lot of swearings.

I to stop swearing. I've never swore before. It's just when people aren't paying attention and I like thinking of a million things, I start. The only thing that reaches through the gravitational thing is just, it's like Tourette's.

So you'll see of these videos, and I'm put it down this raw. It's like, you can't fake this, where I was like, just, can you just listen to me? Can you read this stuff? Just listen to me.

Stop asking questions that you have to understand the fundamental before you start jumping to asking questions that are not even answerable. It's not even wrong. It's just, anyways, it drives me nuts. And now I'm at the point where it's like, you don't even understand.

I'm just being nice and trying to set a cultural. Foundation for our human governance, because even though there's nothing humans can do to screw up our governance model, because you can't trust politics, you can't trust humans because crazy shit, right? They still need to feel agency. What?

So, how do we create, and this is what you can help with, by the way, seriously, because, like, how do people feel like their life matters when they don't work anymore? It's a really hard problem.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:07:04 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, that's a really hard problem, right? Because in order to feel like the life matters, you have to actually do something or feel like you help others in some way.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:07:13 - Jonathan Hare Marvel videos or Marvel TV or whatever Marvel is. I love those things, by the way. I love watching Marvel. I love action films.

I love science films. I love any film that somebody loved. If somebody loved it, I like it. I like chick flicks, my favorite.

Hugh Jackman film. Do Hugh Jackman? Gorgeous man ever. Now I actually appreciate male beauty.

It's like, shit, I would sleep with him if I had any attraction whatsoever to women or men. But anyways, I saw him in Kate Leopold. That's an aggression. He's like this prince coming from 1870 who's very gentlemanly and it's a total chick flick with Meg Ryan or something like that.

It's like, that was my favorite. It's like, he should be James Bond. Anyways, I digress. So, where were we?

What was I talking about?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:08:00 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA So, talking about a lot of the different things. You were talking about how you were vegetarian until you were 18. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:08:07 - Jonathan Hare So, Don Trump Jr. So, it's like, listen, he kills animals and, in fact, endangered animals for sport. I would probably say something rude if I didn't spit in his face. That really endangered animals.

What's the least endangered species in the history of all planets? Freaking humanity. And killing the planet, and you're killing it so you can put it on a fucking wall. I know, sorry, I'm gonna stop swearing because I know it offends a lot of people.

Doesn't bother me, but this way. I'm all good with this way. I know, but I need to get out of the habit because, like, Marshley does not like swearing. I found out, I was like, okay, you can say shit or fuck, just don't say God or, don't take the Lord's name things.

I know something damn as we just said man alive because you couldn't say gee whiz because that's, I know that, but anyways, so anyway, so I didn't like that, but Ivanka has a soul. Actually, I'll take you through this later because I have an actual solution that will actually solve all these, how you solve with the out it's in the Nobel Prize set. I put everything in there or all the important stuff in there. There's Nobel Prize for it.

That's the application layer. Nobody talks about quantum physics. They talk about semiconductors, they talk about phones. There's like, you anyways, I'll go back to the Einstein thing.

Now I'll move on to the actual presentation. Thank you. You listen, so you don't even seem annoyed because most people get jittery after a while, right?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:09:29 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA You're just being annoyed at all, Jonathan. But I know, but I do want to ask you, though, are you sure you are okay? Because I know the last time we met and hung out to you. Had a different energy level.

You seem like someone who's always thinking a lot and has a lot of energy.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:09:44 - Jonathan Hare I'm very ambious, It seems like, yeah. No, I'm not. It's okay, though. Here's the thing: I'll tell this Einstein thing, and then I'll tell my Einstein mode and what I did the last six months because it was brutal.

I did it on purpose. I said, Don't talk to me because it will, I'll just, if you tell me there's money, I need no distraction. Just finish the job. I know where the finish line is.

I was being a wimp. By trying to get somebody to invest in it and get a team to do it. With AI, I can do it by myself. And then I don't have to explain it to anybody.

Why would I think anybody else could comprehend this shit? Because they can't. Einstein alone. So he, after he won, so he came up with general relativity, still very controversial until Arthur Eddington in 1918 famously, there was a total eclipse of the sun and everyone says, guess what?

It does bend. Holy shit. Instantly the most famous scientist in the history. Next to maybe Isaac Newton, right?

But Isaac Newton lived in isolation because there's a plague going on. He had press following him everywhere. When they had Solvan conferences, the press was packed everywhere. They were celebrities.

Why do you think they have all those pictures? Right. So then him and like, actually, Marie Curry hung out. She didn't really, it wasn't her thing.

There's like six, they're all freaking,. Danish or German or whatever, your people. I don't know. Anyways, and they just did all the math in like 10 years.

They figured it out in like four, figured out the equations, because it's all equations. The last Nobel Prize was just in 1932, right? So since then, but all those came from Einstein's seminal papers in the miracle year. So if at all Nobel Prizes for physics and chemistry, what?

Percentage of physics Nobel Prizes are derived from Einstein's seminal works? What would you for physics? What were you saying?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:11:40 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Well, I didn't know. Actually, that would be a wild guess, but it also gives a lot, so maybe I'll have to ask.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:11:45 - Jonathan Hare I didn't know, I asked AI. Is beautiful. Just was that 80. Wow, there's only four, and one of them was when Dennis Sebi won it because it wasn't a physics prize, they just or was it.

Or is it Jeffrey? There's two. Anyways, I'll show you a little bit. It's like there's four because they completely redefined everything about physics.

Everything before was wrong, but you could derive everything before as what you had as an approximation. You could derive it without reference to it. That's what a unified theory is. That's why he's a man of the century.

He's my hero. I got like four of them.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:24 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Plus the impressive guy.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:26 - Jonathan Hare My grandfather was a nuclear physicist, one of the first. He was at Los Alamos. He was at Plessy. He was at Lawrence Berkeley Labs.

He worked on the H-bond trigger. His shit was so classified. Plus, you're so sweet. By the way, I just think you're the sweetest person.

That's why I got your vibes. And the reason why I did, well, I feel like I didn't want to hover because I'd be so into you. You'd think I was like crushing on you and scare you off. That's why.

That's why. And by it a really fun party and you seem to be having a The other thing amazing party, yeah. Look how independent she was. Most people, you go to a party, you don't know anybody.

What do you do? Grab onto you. It's like, shit, chick, I need to talk guy. Can you like go flirt with somebody or something while I do my, thing?

So you're totally independent, which I love. I don't like, you need like, if somebody's too tight, it doesn't work. If you're, it's a very rare, we're very rare because you, I could tell you're independent, but affectionate and all It's like, okay. Just right.

You're not super clean, it's sort of like a chemistry thing,. It can react and do shit, right? Lead doesn't do shit, right? I do, every I'm starting to do everything with physics analogies because people, and I'm doing physics poetry, because people need to learn it.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:35 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, love the idea of poetry, yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:38 - Jonathan Hare I told Ulchi, my sweet, you'll love her, she's the sweetest person on the planet. We never complained. She never complained. Complained.

That's why she eventually broke me. I wasn't trying to break up with you. I was trying to send you a signal. I just couldn't say it.

So I moved into my classmate's house to send you a signal. It's like, and you didn't fight for me. Yeah, but when you had that problem with your, whatchamacallit, thyroid, and your eyes bulge out, you look like a bug. I took you to all the appointments.

I arranged everything. I was with you the whole rest of the way, but you never asked me to marry you again. But you said you didn't want with me, and you never She's like, She did, Why? Why?

But you're the sweetest, kindest, smartest, blah blah. But then, why? She'd never tell me, tore me up. So I came out.

Well, maybe once you got this sick, that's caused depression. It's time I've ever seen her depressed. Maybe that was depression, or maybe I've whatever. You can ask the girls because I told them that girls, this is why.

People wonder, they actually don't know what happened. They have their own perceptions. I tell you the absolute truth because I want everybody to know. You want, or it's healthy to know, because otherwise you dwell on it.

Know? So, I'm getting all the shit off my off my chest or whatever, out of my head. Or I'm proud of everything I've ever done. So I just want it out there and set a good example.

That's God's honest truth. Anyways, well, yeah. So then chemistry. What chemistry Nobel Prizes are based innovations?

I would say 90, 90, 90, yes. 95, 90. Wow. Holy shit.

So when I was doing this stuff, did and so what happened? So going back in December, yeah, I was my happy place. And please don't think I'm trying to naked, but like, remember Julia, the Playboy Girl. Julia.

I send you the pictures.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:15:31 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:15:32 - Jonathan Hare So she's the Danish girl that lived in the Playboy mansion, you and then, she got roofied a few times. And then she left that. She went to some Romanian, I know, culty thing where you meditated or, trans, what do you call it, stupid stuff? Tan, tantric thing.

Tantric, massage. Basically, sex or whatever. And then suddenly she got tired of that because everybody obsesses on her. She to be married to a plastic surgeon.

That's breast got so huge. Right. Anyways, and then she, but she discovered she being roofied and fucking raped, excuse me, in Vegas. So she left because Norwegians are Danes.

I love Scandinavians. They're just the most together freaking cultures on the planet. We bow down to you. Everybody knows it.

It's true. And it's like, so I just like those people. By the way, when I was a kid, all the kind sobs, volvos, the older, the better. If you had like a 50-year-old, if you had a 1940s sob, goddamn, that was like a status symbol that barely run.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:38 - Jonathan Hare Very cute.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:38 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA It's cars. No, it's just like they're good people.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:41 - Jonathan Hare It was the third way and all that shit. So, if you're Marxist-Leninist, who do you? Yeah, well, look at these Swedes. They got it together.

But, anyways. Are you Swedish? You're Norwegian. Yeah.

I know, I know. But by the way, there used to be one country. And, you by the way, Tilan to tell me, well, they're sort of thought of as country bumpkins. You well, they seem pretty nice to me.

It's like, they are, but, it's a little country. And then well, then they got the oil and they actually manage well. So they make you look stupid. It's like most well-managed country.

I actually put that in the Nobel or one of my write-ups. It's like, we'll model it after how the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund works because it's the one example of decent governance I've found in any pitch or state or resource. Do of another example?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:17:32 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I don't know of another example.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:17:34 - Jonathan Hare There are none. I judge. So it's like, I guess we'll just have them manage it or we'll incorporate that as a founding thing. That's why we're going to the Wallenbergs.

They're awesome. So if we, they have a 170-year it's not multifamily trust, right? They took care of Sweden in the 50s because they got them through some shit. That's the quote.

That was not easy. They didn't, Sweden didn't become Sweden accidentally. It a very poor country, or everybody's poor, right? So they invested in shit that they didn't have to because that's the way the trust is set up.

Most of that family, so my buddy Jeff, who you'll meet, because I need somebody to be the liaison. He's very gentlemanly and he's between us. I met him through Eric Hazeltine, who's like the most famous dude on the planet. He ran NSA and CTO for digital net.

He's a he ran Disney Imagineering for 10 years. He's one of the smartest family I ever met. The Hazeltines, right? Bill Hazeltine, Florence, Astera, all those guys.

He was the business guy, and he's like a, he's very connected, right? So, yeah, he went to. Wharton. He was like class roommates with Jacob frickin' Wallenberg.

Wallenbergs are, don't you?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:18:43 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I don't know.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:18:44 - Jonathan Hare So you that's how understated the Swedes are. Yeah, I knew about Raul Wallenberg, right? He's the guy that saved all the Jews in Hungary and, you like 35, anyways, and then he got assassinated. I've cried about this too.

What do they do for him for like saving 35,000 Jews by giving everybody who looked Jewish a freaking Swedish passport so they get out? Because there are 435,000 Jews. They all died from Hungary in 1944 whenever it took over. So he just got groups.

Anyway, so that's why they're famous. But this is the richest. They own EQT. They own Investor IB, which owns like big chunks of AstraZeneca, ABB, Ericsson, Saab.

They own shit all over the world. So the two guys, every they, there's like two of the hundreds of family members that actually make it to the top because it's not like a dynastic, you disinherit, you have to earn it. They have dozens of trusts. Most of them are just purely philanthropic to take care of the world, right?

And they and they don't want to be talked about because swedes don't like credit they're very understated just like you guys by the way yeah you're pretty much the same because culture you don't brag a lot you're like Dutch people or something. Whatever. There's some Northern Europeans.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:20:09 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA People brag actually. Dutch people, they're very direct and they brag a lot and they have a much more healthy, but Norwegians in particular, we never, well, you are, yeah, you're at the extreme.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:20:19 - Jonathan Hare By the way, I'm a direct descendant of Charlemagne, Oliver Cromwell, and a in an illegitimate offspring of Prince William of Orange, who married Queen Mary. So that's our family came over. In 1630 because our family was illegitimate children and he had all his, he was a playboy. So they had to stick him somewhere.

We were English. No, you spoke Dutch. We owned most of Baltimore back then. So I've been there that little branch.

Anyway, so, but anyways, and I went there, I told this story to some guy in this chalet. I had to raise money in Europe. We're the first deal of Index Ventures, by the way. So I did the best road show.

I had nothing to show, but some great dancing and stuff. Raised $10 million from this one guy. He's like, I say, yeah, I told the story. And say, but then we're a family.

Took me in the next room. This giant picture of Prince William Moore is like, he's my edge. Well, I was illegitimate. It doesn't matter.

Give me a million bucks, just like that. It was fun. But, anyways, you're right. They're Norwegians.

And by the way, the thing is, well, whatever. I just love people that are responsible for the world. Now, the Wallenbergs are arguably better. You're just well managed.

This is a family, right? This is not politics. So they chose. So Jacob and Marcus Wallenbergs, they're the two top people.

They have the new one, it's Jacob Jr., who is, they just put him on the board of EQT. So EQT is the largest European private equity fund. It's got 385. I check all the shit because I actually have pre-genation items.

Here's how the Wallenberg family could generate a global cascade. In about a week, if right, it's like a nuclear bomb, chain reaction, and saturate the place. And they would just give the money back to the trust. Everybody else would start buying yachts, right?

That's not cool. We're trying to get equality here. So, if you just, if we're not trying to amplify the wealth of people already rich, that's not the goal, right? So, I thought all this through, I went through all the steps, like, okay.

Anyway, so. So anyways and I so my buddy jeff i've been to fort mead which is where the nsc is 15 times right eric I this is revolutionary stuff and as my eric hasletine who's you'll have to meet by the way I haven't talked to him in 10 years because even he got tired of and he married a woman then she got cancer married another woman it's like it's like whatever he's a great guy he just it took longer and he stopped Anyway, so I met him. Bill Hastinu, and he did human genome sciences. He would love you, by the way.

He lives in New York. He's super fucking old and he's like a billionaire because he did a bunch of drug companies. He discovered HIV causes AIDS. Wow.

The French had this blood sample. So that's why he didn't get the Nobel Prize, which he's still pissed about because it wasn't your blood sample. Yeah, but I. It.

So they gave me the samples. The French were just didn't like the Americans won prize. That was honestly his. And then I met him at Esser Dyson's conference, PC Forum, right?

She's a good friend and investor. And I explained how we did it using biological metaphors. Well, it's based on organelles and blah, blah. This is the way if you sell for it has to be this way.

And he understood everything because he was a biologist or he's a geneticist and he knew what eukaryotic life forms are. And how many people know what eukaryotic? Do eukaryotic life form is?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:38 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA The singles or like the ammo.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:43 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I don't remember the different trees.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:45 - Unidentified Speaker I'll explain it all. But yes, that's right.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:47 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA It's everything in the last prokaryotic and eukaryotic, but I yeah, I what's watching.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:23:53 - Jonathan Hare Eukaryotic, yes. See, you got the names. Yeah, I think about this all the time because I watch videos continuously because it keeps it fresh. You got to keep it top of mind.

So it's just, I've things all the time because I know everything you forget. I can't do basic math anymore because it's been so long and I don't have to anymore because of AI. But, anyways, all the eukaryotic life, all life since, or all life with a cell, a nucleus, blah, blah-that's eukaryotes. So, and they started one billion years ago, more or less.

And every single one of them has the exact same nine base organelles: mitochondria, cole apparatus, nucleus. They're all exactly. There's like two or three others, like plastoids or whatever, depending on if it's. There's a few extra, but all eukaryotic life, an amoeba, a T-rex, a sequoia tree, you, a chimpanzee, not similar, exactly the same, because they just kind of got in one place, developed, somehow it worked.

And it's not great, it just works. So the DNA, right, codes for proteins and stuff, that has its properties. Everybody talks about genetic algorithms. Santa Fan is like, all these stupid genetic algorithms.

What about organ else? You can only get like prokaryote-level freaking, and all you want to talk about is that stuff because it's so simple. Who's doing the organelles? So, that was my idea way back then because we had cellular technology.

This is like 1995 and through 2000. Yeah, got all the papers. Used to do big presentations. I know all the big techies guys because I would be up there with them, whatever.

So anyways, it's taken this long to actually do it. So anyways, yeah. So Eric, he says, well, I don't know tech, but my, he said, come to my mansion in DC. He has a giant place on UN Plaza.

The building across from UN Plaza. He's got like a two floors there. I stayed there once. It was like, because, dude, I can't find a hotel room.

It was packed. And he said, stay at my place. It was like a museum, right? He has his place in DC, which Georgetown, which is like a $50 million place.

And that was his crash pad where his brother stayed. And he was stayed at when he was DC. So I showed up there. And this is guy who's one of the famous.

Anyways, I'll tell the story later on. But I got some guy who's a super famous dude in me. And here's Bill, who's very imperious and full of fun. You'll love him because he has foundations.

He's India everywhere. He's saving the world. And always asking people for money. That's why he keeps his whatever he's got.

So, if you can persuade my brother, who's a sitting CTO for the national intelligence community, that your innovation can do something that his cannot, I will give you a hundred thousand dollar check at the dinner. And I need a hundred thousand dollars, right? And they had three bottles of thousand-dollar wine, right? Three hours later, I got my hundred thousand dollar check, right?

So, then Eric said. It's like well and then he brought in six phds because he was the cto for the national intelligence community that's one over cia nsa all because he's the smartest him mickey mouse cto because he worked at disney engineering for like 10 years where they had all the smartest alan kay all these guys work for him like danny hillis work for you yeah next desk alan kay invented object oriented programming work for you yeah it's like he's a psych he's a uc berkeley psychologist I forgot. Yeah, no, Eric Hasleton.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:27:12 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Eric Hasleton.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:27:13 - Jonathan Hare Okay, no, once we go down to LA, he'll see me. All my friends, I miss my friends because I just had to, I had to fight through poverty because you take care of you certain times, bad shit happened. Yeah. Fucking, COVID.

My buddy Scott's daughter had a got in a coma because she got an accident, like shit happened. And I didn't have, anyways, it doesn't matter. But I, and by it's a blessing because if I didn't do it, if I didn't have any choice but myself, it never would have been invented. It can't be invented as a group.

None of the major scientific revolutions were ever invented by a group, except for quantum mechanics, sort of, because there's four of them, right? But anyways, but that was derivative from what Einstein already did. The fundamental thing is light is a quanta. That was everything else, just math, right?

So, anyway, it's like, just do it yourself because I'm very social and I'm like, don't like working that hard. I really don't. I just have a responsibility to do it. Anyway, so after I met six PhDs and went through, these are guys that I wasn't clear.

I used to be cleared, right? But I throw in all this shit and I explain how to do everything. And there's networking and crypto and blah, blah. I studied all this shit, right?

And then he said, okay, there's probably 100 people on the planet, if they listen to you long enough, would trust their own judgment that if what you said, describe, could be reduced to practice deployed at global scale, would work. This is 100 of those people. There are 100 of those people. Half of them work for the NSA and the rest are very rich criminals.

Let me hook you up with the NSA. So, I've been to the NSA 15 times. They hooked me up with the CIA, CTO, at every freaking agency. They were my, they used to call the White House.

They hooked me up with a White House grant. These guys, they figured, he's figured it out. But all the vendors over there, like, how do we make money then? Or they just didn't understand it.

By the way, I hadn't fully invented it. It's just conceptually. So he's such a polyglot, whatever. He could follow.

There's very few people. They're all geniuses from birth. Florence Hausenzeyen, you'll love her. I used to stay at her house all the time.

She has like eight degrees. Albert Einstein, MIT, Cal, you couldn't, as a woman, get a job. So you just kept fucking degrees. And then she ran the Eunice Shiver Children's at NIH.

I used to hang out. She was the head of that thing, right? And she would hook me up with everybody else goes like yeah florence she ran the society for women's health she founded that thing she's my pal when I was poor I just crash at her house all the time and her husband who's a physicist right so anyways they're like my family except more serious none of the fruity stuff so then he after so then he gave us reference and then we got lost because they switched vendors and our shit got research and by the time they came back he was out of government and he couldn't sponsor us anymore because it'd be a conflict because my brother's invested. So they said, Tell you what, I'll be your chief scientist and board member just to give you street credit because nobody will understand this.

It's so counterintuitive, like three things on top of each other. Nobody will. I'll give you some street cred by joining your board and being your chief scientist and hook you up with people. So that's what he did.

That's how I got 15 meetings with NSA. I just educated them, right? All of them. And it was all there.

I was just. Freaking beautiful now there's layers to the stuff because if you read conciliance but I'm going to move on quickly you need to understand every layer right or it doesn't work humans are at the top you have to go all the way up it's freaking complicated so i've had over these decades every single layer and I knew I could do it all along that was the that's why you hear the tears like if they just listen and it's not just me it's like this is necessary to save the planet because we're killing the eel wilson stuff all the sustainability stuff. That's my anchor. We're killing the planet.

We don't even know it's emergency. And like, gosh, I wish I could go. It's so easy to make money. I could just hang out and fucking fuck, or boats, whatever.

So I talk about boats, planes, and automatic stuff. I'm just joking. I'm not joking. I love that stuff.

But it's like, that's just my reward in heaven on earth, right? And people can identify with that. When you say you're saving the world, what do people think when you say save the world? What do they think?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:31:23 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I don't know what they think.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:31:25 - Jonathan Hare When you say his, hers, she, her, it's like, you don't know what your gender is. They think you're being some woolly-eyed liberal leftist from Berkeley, like I am, right? They don't respect it. Many people think that's an insult to them.

So when you say sustainability, they say, take my money. You don't respect me as a human. My old buddy, Stuart Brand, he founded the Whole Earth Catalog, and he's a super famous guy. I knew him because he lived in Saul Solitude.

Dad moved out of our house, and we went and built a composting shitter. So, world, the what do you call it? Whole Earth Catalog was the hippie freaking guidebook, right? Everybody used it.

You're too young. How old are you? I have no idea how old you are. 30.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:08 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I couldn't reveal my age.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:10 - Jonathan Hare Well, I'm much older than you are..

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:15 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA God.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:16 - Jonathan Hare I have no idea. Because you got a PhD, right? It doesn't matter. Let me put it this way.

All my girlfriends, since they find me and I put out this, I normally look really young. I look haggard right now, right? And I just need to relax for a while and not, I don't have to work anymore. I don't have to work anymore.

I don't have to think anymore. That's why I was just like, I just.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:40 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Tell me more about the sleep loss thing. So is this the first time you felt like this where you're not sleeping at all?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:45 - Jonathan Hare And when you're- No, no. Well, here's what it is. So this time it was, I did, like, anyways, I've done this before. I did it once.

I got a bit, I won't tell the story right now, but I worked from like 208 to 159, working 104, did I say 120 to 104 hours a week? Unbelievable thing. At I nearly, the doctor says, and I pulled it off. Miraculous, saved the company, made a fuck ton of money.

Nobody got hurt because I did my MLK Jesus Christ fucking thing with my mentor's husband, who was a complete psychopath, but it's an amazing story. This is while Tulan was summer, happiness. And it's like, well, and I knew I was this, I found, I anticipated this would be bad. I love Microsoft.

I had the best fucking job in Microsoft. Yeah, too easy. I want to do this the right place. I'll learn something, kick my ass, make you tough, and paid a lot better, right?

And they took me to Europe, they flew me all over You do whatever you want. Microsoft, you sit in the office and you like school, and I did it. Holy shit! So, at the end I was 159 pounds, which I was in like high school or college or something like that.

But I'm actually a big build kind of guy normally, I'm normally thin, but I have a large. Frame. That was not healthy. So I went to the doctor after all, pulled it off, still trying to work, could barely walk.

I was a lot younger then. And then the doctor says, You have to go on vacation or you will die. It's like, well, that doesn't sound good. Walt Smiley, the board guy that put me up to taking down this, neutralizing the CEO, like peaceful transfer of power, I know how to do it, right?

I did it. Nobody knew. And so then I took a trip around the world because I had 250,000 bucks, Tulan, University of Florence, you just take 40 tests whenever you want to so she could leave. So we went around the world and I said, I need to find my purpose in life because if I end up on my deathbed with on a pile of money, how will I feel about myself?

Because at that point, it was just drive and ambition. And, I had ethics for my parents, but I didn't, I just, I just didn't know the path, right? And so we went around the world and I'll tell the story. She can tell the story, whatever.

We found the vision. I didn't believe in religion. Having children, that's kind of easy. If you want to have children, I'll make, I'll help you, right?

But it's not hard. We wouldn't exist as a species without them. So is that a challenge? Is that I'm here to take, wait a minute.

Population growth is the problem. Right? So it's like, that's not the solution, right? So, and then that's where I got my mission.

And that was a long time ago. That was July. Now, I look like a skinny rail. I hate those pictures.

She, my albums, look totally different. Hers has both of us in it. Mine has just architecture and her because she's always beautiful. And the architecture is beautiful.

I didn't want me, so that's why I don't like those pictures. But then I bounced. It took me like a year to bounce back for that. Now that was hard.

This, I got back to December. I said, Rich, we're just going do it ourselves. And when I went up to Harvard, this is a good story. And the other big thing is, I said, I'll just work through the Christmas break.

Right. Then I had this, I went home, saw my mom, super emotional. Well I saw my brothers they wouldn't read my patents they're so well written it's like dudes it's my life's work can you just read it I wrote every page Jonathan I have to I got a message from my clinic in norway but I have to call them right away because of the client if you can or we can do it later but I'm available because I slept all day, sweetheart. Don't worry, I slept all day.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:32 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Are you sure you're sad? Yeah, are you sure this is your normal self, Jonathan?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:37 - Jonathan Hare I'm trying to call you woman rather than sweetheart, but no, I know what I'm fine. You can come take care of me, or I'll come to you. I'm fine. It just takes me a while.

But what was killing me is everybody not understanding what I was trying to communicate and then just saying. Eat more. No, the fact that you're not just moving, doing this stuff is what's aggravating me. And like, just amping, I was fine when I was being Einstein mode.

I love that shit. Right? My car crashed going up to Harbin because I got rear-ended. An insurance settlement for $152,000.

It's like, great. I got extra money. I don't need to raise any money. And then, and it's like, great.

So I didn't talk to anybody. It's like, I will. Go until I finish. And it was like a few weeks ago, I finished.

And then it's like, I'm done. And I said, then I went around, I talked to my old assistant. She wanted me to help her. So you should tell everybody you love, care about, respect, or fear about this immediately.

It'll make you hundreds of billions of dollars if you do it first. Why don't you talk to me? She was driving me nuts because, and then I said, who do I love? So I called Tulan.

Right? Didn't talk about business. I just told her I loved her and tell her the good news. And then I called, and I got worried.

My friend, Tony Broadman, I love that guy. I haven't seen him. He's older than I am. It's like, what if he's dead?

Or what if he lost his brain? He's going to be our creative director. He's an incredible. He's an amazing human, coolest guy.

And I looked at all my contacts and I just like, dude, I found and I said, dude, are you alive? You remember this poem, this Keats thing? You put my mic, I've been thinking about it this time because I've been waiting to connect with all these my old friends because we were 16 and new friends. So that's what I did.

And then I called all the fucking girlfriends because, that's what I did. It's like, this is what you do, mothers. Are the best governors. They'll sacrifice themselves from the children.

So, grandmother, so let's get them. We're curate this. That whole strategy, but it's also, I just knew I needed to unwind. And the problem was they don't even watch my videos.

I'm trying to communicate with them. This physics shit, it actually explains stuff. Nobody can believe that I have the mental capacity. It's not you're smarter.

It is, I'm smarter, but it's seeing everything in context. It's different and it's unique. And it's like you have to, people are going to need to believe that for them to take it seriously.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:06 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Plus, sorry, I have to go because it's a crisis going on with the client.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:11 - Jonathan Hare I had something.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:14 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Please don't post this video anywhere, okay? Because I did not.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:17 - Jonathan Hare No, because this is super personal. Sounds good. I all the other stuff is, but this is different because I'm you're a psychologist. You have some sort of privileged shit or whatever.

Now, I don't, post whatever you want to. How about that? I won't.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:31 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I'm not post anything. And if you want, if you can also just delete the video, because I wasn't fully camera ready today and I wasn't fully understanding that thought you were just taking notes or something.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:40 - Jonathan Hare We'll just do we'll a voice thing for Walt Isaacson. A lot of this is just Walt. This is what I know him really well. It's like, tell the story, and it's like people make up stories later.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:51 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, but please don't share our this is for you.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:54 - Jonathan Hare Do you does this feel like I was trying to pit you on anything? Was I trying to achieve anything here?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:39:59 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA And no, I didn't feel that. No, I didn't feel that. Yeah, gets on.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:04 - Jonathan Hare And then you can have it. I won't share it with anybody.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:07 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. And then, and by the way, it's all me talking and baffling.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:11 - Jonathan Hare So just, you just, you look great. But are you sure you're okay?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:14 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA you're, I feel like something might be going on with you.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:40:17 - Jonathan Hare it is. It is. No, no. The thing is, I know myself to the micrometer.

And it's worked. Sola, I was drinking 12 cups of coffee a day because I had to stay up. Right. Then I gave half of my money.

I got to rich because I didn't realize he. Probably came in inheritance or something. I thought I would need it. It's like, I just had to finish it.

So in the end, it got very stressful. And then, because I was down to like a thousand dollars, and I called my buddy Scott, who's worth both like, hey, I need, I need money. He gave me $19,000 because he always says that. But the thing is, it was fucking stressful.

And then I just reached out to these people because I didn't want to leave them. I was like, I don't need you anymore, but do I just leave you behind? Is that our values? So I just sent the thing, the things I sent you, I sent to like 40 people.

Most of them were just people that have been hanging around us, coming to meetings because they kind of believe, but clearly they don't understand our belief based on what happened. It's like, well, do you want to make them feel bad? And by the way, what cultural signal are we trying to set? Because this is the conciliant protector phase.

It's okay, it's now done. It will self-organize, growth be worth $29 quadrillion dollars, which is more than orders of magnitude more than anything ever, right? People won't believe that. Do the freaking math.

Here's my shit. Peer review it. Peer review it. Do the math.

Find an error. You probably could, be like 35 quadrillion or 20 quadrillion, right? So we're that phase. And I don't like to leave people behind.

And I needed some emotional support. I knew it. So that's why I called my girlfriend. So that's why I called you.

Honestly, there's some that I knew that could take care of me. I knew you could. That's why they said, not take care of me, take care of the world and me. And so that's why I reached out to you.

There's a few others or a bunch of others. And I said, most of them will ignore, but then they'll know that I love them because I texted them. It's like, if I texted you without context, that means I love you or I care about you. Otherwise, we're off in orbit.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:13 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA So sorry, I have to go and call the Norwegian clinic, but yeah, please take care of yourself.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:19 - Unidentified Speaker you're texting in Norway. That's what you're doing.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:21 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah, that's where I've been practicing.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:22 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, that's because owned by Norway.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:26 - Jonathan Hare Obviously, you keep weird hours. Okay, call back if you like, or just text me, and I'm there for you because I want to get you up to speed. And by the way, through this weekend, that's why I need help. I need to be through this bullshit, this emotional transition, which I've done before.

I know how to do it. It's just, I'm just, I connect things, it rolls up. I haven't thought about it for like, decades of years. My mom, all this shit.

And it's like, you think I'm crying about this? And yes, I'm tired. And it's like, if people would, I could relax if I knew. And now we are because it's all happening.

I said, Mark, I cried to him. His mother was dying. It's like, go take care of your mom. He was going to give me money, but then it's like, take care of your mom.

Anyways, now he's back. He's fucking working. It's going off. It's like, great.

See, now it's just relaxation time. And that's why I reached out to you again because, okay, now I'm emotionally ready. If I had done it before, have had me committed or something. Not because there was anything in wrong, I was joyous.

Now I got more frustrated because they just wouldn't, like, guys, snap out of it. I'm totally fine. I'm so joyous to see you because, like, yeah, there's like four people that could, I was hoping two. No, you're the one because this Delara chick, I liked her a lot, but I met her two days at a conference and she moved by.

I was like, Oakland. And she's like a commune chick member. So I just, I'm glad you're here for me, sweetheart. Maybe it's God's, it's God's will.

It's we're in a simulation and somebody finally gave me a gift. How about that?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:43:49 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Sorry, sweet Jonathan, but I have to say, I'm a little bit worried about where you are right now. I'm wondering if there might else going on as well.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:43:56 - Jonathan Hare No, there's not. You don't know me. But what? What you can do?

Is you can psychoanalyze the hell out of me. I would love that. That's all I want. I swear to God.

I swear to God, that's that's why I just want one. I don't need 12. I had 12 because I know they can't take it and they'll back up, blah, blah. I just want one, but you're the one I wanted for that role.

Because aren't you perfect to help me? Are you not perfect to help me? Aren't you perfectly qualified to help diagnose and cure me? Me.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:44:26 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA So, if you want me to diagnose you, then let me know. But I'm not sure if that's no, I don't need it.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:44:33 - Jonathan Hare I'm saying you feel the need to do it. I don't need it. I'm totally grounded and self-aware. The thing is, watch the Eileen Goo thing.

She talks super fast.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:44:43 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA So, nobody's like, Jonathan, I really have to go because I'm running.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:44:48 - Jonathan Hare I would love to spend time with you. All I want to do is spend time with you. I just need to be in company that I can trust. I love my girls, but they're not you.

They don't have the right stuff. They don't have the right background. They can't, I can't have a conversation. I just tune them out.

It's like, you don't know anything about psychology or anything else. And you're trying to like, nothing. One girl I was with is like, yeah, how about we have babies? Is that what you thought I was trying to do?

Because you happened to call me because we have the same birthday and now you want, like, it was crazy. They're not helping me with their projecting. Their issues on me. What?

Or, and I'm super tough. I'm super tough. I'm never tough.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:24 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Jonathan, I'm so sorry. I have to go.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:26 - Jonathan Hare But thank you for worrying about me. Yeah, no, no. And I'll just pause this. If you want to come back, I could do it later.

I just wanted to connect with you and get a plan.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:36 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA I'm going to call Norway and then I'm going to head to sleep because I'm like a super early sleeper. So this is like approaching my bedtime already. Yeah. Take care of yourself and get some sleep.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:46 - Jonathan Hare Okay. Take care, sweet. And come on Monday if you can or whenever.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:50 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA Yeah, let me know the details. These will be group situations.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:52 - Jonathan Hare It won't be this sort of shit. To get this out of my system. It'll be you with all my friends, and that's all.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:45:57 - Iris Steine, she/her, Berkeley CA You can post it. Yeah. Okay. Take care.