Zoom session — Jeff Weiss & Jonathan (December 11, 2025): inverse Spence signaling and the QP cells

Transcript Node: Jeff Weiss & Jonathan (Dec 11, 2025)

Date Recorded: Dec 11, 2025

Context: This conversation reveals the immense frustration Jonathan faces trying to bypass mid-level 'compliance' bureaucrats to get the QPN architecture directly to apex decision-makers. It outlines the concept of 'Inverse Spence Signaling' and the decentralized nature of the Catalyst Contribution Graph. The transcript has been programmatically polished to remove filler words, verbal stutters, and run-on artifacts, breaking giant blocks into readable paragraphs while carefully preserving the underlying meaning and raw emotion.

Meeting Participants & Relationships

• Jonathan Hare: The host and main speaker. Architect of the Lokahi and QPN Catalyst initiatives.

• Jeff Weiss: A long-time friend and professional contact. He provides a connection to the Wallenberg family and other high-level executives, acting as a foil to Jonathan's unconventional strategic approach.

Executive Summary

- • Strategic Frustration: The dialogue captures the tension between traditional, slow-moving corporate vetting and the QPN's requirement for zero-friction, top-down executive signaling.

- • Inverse Spence Signaling: Jonathan explains how utilizing the credibility of apex decision-makers (without requiring sunk costs) is the mechanism to bypass bureaucratic gridlock.

- • The Catalyst Contribution Graph: A recurring theme is the necessity of recording contributions via the QPN Catalyst to ensure equitable distribution of the ecosystem's massive projected value.

- • Global Impact: The conversations constantly scale from personal anecdotes to civilizational impact, referencing the integration of faith-based initiatives, environmental sustainability (TFFF), and AI safety.

Polished Complete Transcript

UNKNOWN: Jeff Weiss - Jonathan Hare Thu, Dec 11, 2025

JONATHAN HARE: Hey.

JEFF WEISS: Hey, how are you?

JONATHAN HARE: Good. Good. How you doing, man?

JEFF WEISS: You're doing great. I had the fun experience of being the keynote speaker at this Reuters Energy Conference, Tuesday. Number one, this is all a conversation about the AI tools they used. They had an AI thing on a screen right next to all the speakers, transcribing every word you said.

I was there for a of hours, so I wasn't watching it when I was speaking, but it did a really good job transcribing. And that. That. But then, almost immediately after I finished, and after every speaker finished, the app, which is the Reuters app on your phone, has a thing that says, click here about the speech that was just given.

And it extracted the top five things that I said, summarize them and quoted me. I'm thinking, wow, that's much better than what I did. That

JONATHAN HARE: They probably published it as a press release or something.

JEFF WEISS: Then it had a word cloud of everything I said. If you click on a word in the word cloud, it was really amazing.

JONATHAN HARE: Things like that is just much better than humans could possibly be. Right. That for me like much better, much better. I just took like a few months back, like get, it's like, geez, we have all this shit.

And if we start putting it out there, I have first to file patents since 2013 the US. Yeah. There's a lot of patentable stuff here and we want to crack. How do we make this work?

So I know I'll just put the whole and it's nobody will read all my shit. It's like, just put it all in there in a form of patent with explanation why it matters. Provide the context, get it all there, and get it patented. Because, if I put it out independently, somebody with a bunch of lawyers could actually buy patents.

Now, none of this would be workable without our online patents, but the underlying stuff is so abstract. You can't prove anybody violated it. What? Right.

So now we have like patents to cover every part of the world economy, healthcare stuff, we actually, the healthcare stuff, since it's so expansive, literally covers everything about the economy, right? Did you read through any of these things, by the way?

JEFF WEISS: All 199 pages of each five documents you sent? No. Okay. But I looked at the first couple of pages.

JONATHAN HARE: Well, my buddy, Ira Klein, actually did. It's like, my God, he's a healthcare expert. It's unbelievable. You got everything there.

It's beautifully written. It's really, it's got all this detail. It's like, yeah, you actually need those to get patent claims, right?

JEFF WEISS: And by the way- No, I'm confident you do, but I'm giving you the honest answer that no, I didn't read all of them.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, no, most people won't, but they should. But here's the key thing is we have all the steps like, okay, it's like the manifesto. It's all here. By have to understand all the shit to adopt it.

It is so simple to adopt. We have a little easy consent API. It's like change some text, add this API. You don't need to understand it.

It's self-organizing, right? Yeah. It works immediately with the Privacy Network Exchange. End-to-end quantum privacy protection unified trust model.

It can just work with dual use stuff that's already there, create markets, enable zero cost reuse of resources. It's just not quantum privacy enabled end-to-end, which would be much better, but it fucking works, right? Right. Anyways, did you, by the way, do you see the stuff about the quantum privacy cells?

JEFF WEISS: If I did, it was in the detail and I don't understand it.

JONATHAN HARE: It's really important.

JEFF WEISS: So one of the things, I'm supposed to sign up to be a quantum privacy cell?

JONATHAN HARE: Well, everybody on the planet already has. Every person in every organization on the planet, as of yesterday, has privacy cell option. And what it really is, what a Delaware series LLC is?

JEFF WEISS: Delaware series LLC, yes.

JONATHAN HARE: It's a particular type of LLC. Where it has managing members, which is WebShield EP3 networks once it's formed an EP3 foundation, right? And me as executive director. So it has whatever.

Can create an infinite number of them. You don't have to file anything with the state for individual series. They create ring fence liability, the ability to own property, enter into contracts, all that kind of jazz. They can be anonymous, right?

Have to tell anybody anywhere, but it's actually a legal entity. And this is something that Satya Nadella talked about, which I quoted explicitly, had a bunch of quotes from all these guys in the AI world talking about what's fucking broken that they have no clue how to solve. Yeah, shit, we're in a bubble. Or yeah, AI alignment and safety, we got nothing.

Or yeah, we're gonna, if this stuff succeeds, it's going to destroy, the economy, like mass unemployment and It's fundamental to how we work as a society. And unless you figure out a way to map into that stuff, we can't just say, AI did that. People and the human run organizations have to be accountable. We can't just say, AI did that.

We can't just say, AI did that. And it's out there, right? And if you're something like Microsoft, they're gonna be held liable for everything. What?

So it's like, that is the biggest barrier to super AI. So anyways, we created this thing and say, okay, we created these things. And by the way, you can, so they exist right now. You can have one, just ask me.

And they're completely anonymous. I set it up where, and I have some explanations I can send you. It's like, listen, nobody will ever know. We can do them.

Sponsors like we create we created for everybody's like listen you're all able to help and there's some things you can do in terms of get credit what if you were to like actually I'll show you so this is the actual agreement whoops let me share my screen here all right you see my screen yep okay so if you go to and have it like I had it write an opinion style letter because we set up where like anybody can get credit and be rewarded in the future once the network activates a deferred activation model with tokens for your contributions you can be an elected politician you can be a government official you can be a partner in an investment firm like I don't care what your fucking constraints are if you do these things even if you don't know you have one of these things, if you activate your stuff in time, you will be rewarded, right? What's the reward?

JEFF WEISS: What does that mean?

JONATHAN HARE: Well, so what we have, you don't have all these accelerators, right? And it's like, okay, it's designed to crowdsource stuff. So one of the flight, well, actually, let me show you like what you can get credit for, right? Where's the participation agreement?

Okay. This is a super long agreement because this thing by agreement.

JEFF WEISS: Sorry, this is our agree. This is the primary. This is the

JONATHAN HARE: This is a standard participation agreement if you want to and we can create it. It could be manager originated or somebody can ask for private like don't. I don't want to sign anything but create it for me so or it's like we'll just create it for you and we're not even going to fucking tell you.

JEFF WEISS: You people are afraid to opt in to like that, unless it's something like an airline bonus file.

JONATHAN HARE: No, the point is, as there's zero risk, it's trade secret. We've got everything, every scenario you could possibly think of I guarantee you, I put it in there. Right. Right.

It's a trade. The existing stuff is a trade secret. You can't acknowledge if you actually have one. If you sign it, you've contractually agreed not to disclose.

By the way, everybody has one. We gave them the entire world population. Everybody has this right. You have a right under First Amendment, Freedom Association, Sarbanes-Oxley, Whistleblower Act, all these fucking things.

You have a right to advocate for things for public policy benefit. It's illegal to penalize people for doing this shit, right? Now, and there's a whole bunch of reasons like, it's not worth anything initially. But if you do certain things, so if you look at the Exhibit A, and by the way, I had to put in a legal agreement.

This is all based on complexity. What are all the things to make legal agreement a viable entity that grows its own organism because we need to reward people for helping right let's see exhibit a yeah and you can have different forms it can be managed originated like nobody knows we don't need we don't even tell other managers fucking nobody fucking knows right but it exists this is hey manager sponsored hey I don't want to sign anything. It doesn't require a counter signature, but that it exists and you get to say, well, who's going to know? Can other managers know?

Can like EP3 Foundation know? Other managers? Can other select participants that all who are under NDA, because they have to be signed the screenings. It's a trade secret under NDA.

You can't be forced to disclose it. And if you do, what? We'll just terminate it. But we reserve the right to reconstitute it later in any fucking jurisdiction.

In another country. What? And all the shit is futures, right? Anyway, so it's just like, what do you mean?

What? Anyway, so now if you look at the sort of stuff you need to do, that's an exhibit A You just information we need to actually, if you want to lock, if you really want to get credit, it's like we can do stuff passively. It's like, anyway, so things like make an introduction, hook us up with some people. Right and it's like how would you document there's lots of ways to document it's like yeah just copy people on email you're right then we know you made the introduction and then what if you're copying an email but you amplify it or you do something to amplify the fucking thing right let's see or and do they respond so if they if I what the fuck if you introduce somebody else and they respond to a person that's worth more than just sending email that nobody ever responds to, right?

And we have ways of classifying like kind of allow you to quantify what it's worth, right? Then you have things like, do you actually schedule a meeting? And is it conducted? Do you deliver a proposal?

And by the way, who helped create it? Who was in it? Who helped create it? If you create a presentation, document it.

And it turns out that is we'll be able to retrospectively once this thing is launched a couple years from now, whatever. It's like, okay, now we have this giant privacy graph with all information. We'll be able to recon, it's sort of like sequencing a genome. We'll be able to reconstruct how this fucking thing evolved.

Cause at the end of the day, it gets down to real stuff, right? It's like, okay, there's are the relevant fall in referral. This person refers to somebody else. You get some partner at a consulting for just hook us up.

You will be rewarded. And whoever you hook up will be rewarded. If it eventually turns anything, you don't get jack if it doesn't turn into anything. And if somebody else gets, somebody like Mark Zuckerberg does it, company-wide.

Well, guess what? There's no more credit you can get for hooking us up with Meta. But if you've got somebody else and they started it, they can get credit for getting us to Zuckerberg or incubating something that actually gets assimilated into what Meta actually fucking does, right? And you don't even need to tell anybody you're doing it.

It doesn't matter who you work for. Everybody benefits from this network. Define a strategy, get it. Somebody joins an affiliate, but do a partnering MOU.

If somebody actually creates a quantum pipe sale because, we got a real winner in here and then we'll be able to track everything they do. Who got them to sign the damn thing? What? Or who, whatever.

Do you actually do a license agreement? And do you get, do you join an accelerator? Because the accelerators work right now. You don't have to wait.

If get, if you want to have a network, you should be By the first of all, there are global accelerators that EP3 is doing that are sector wide or proof of trust accelerator or health care or e-commerce and finance or whatever else. They're all those things. And guess what? It's the same resources.

It's like, we got a pool reserved of equity incentive stuff. We just haven't figured out exactly who's going to get it yet. And there's a pool reserved for people to invest. But what we really want to do is we want to make sure it's just guys engage medicaid like in a matter of a day or two convert their entire user population into users 3.6 billion and then we with other people we have get all their fucking data and do anything it's a huge shit right do you get an enterprise customer and by the way you notice these things flow from each other you make an intro and you get a fall what if it eventually turns into somebody actually signing a deal right that's something it's worth something it's easy to make In fact, we can literally, that's what exchange tokens is like,

JEFF WEISS: So what's going on with rollout and with money and with partners?

JONATHAN HARE: So does this all make sense, by the way?

JEFF WEISS: It makes enough sense. Bring me up to speed a little bit more broadly about the business. We haven't spoken in too long.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. So we have all that. So first of all, a couple of things. So first of all, this is a key thing because we want people to start spreading the word because we've got The patent's filed, the infrastructure is there, the whole network.

All you have to do, like, let's see if I can do it. Gosh damn, where is it? Where's the fucking thing? Whatever, somewhere in their fucking thing, in that email I sent you, which you clearly didn't read the whole thing or didn't look into it.

It's like,

JEFF WEISS: How can you get this to propagate like Facebook? Can you give this a free, can you get, students have nothing better to do. Get them to think it's cool.

JONATHAN HARE: No, you can do it to anybody. The whole point is everybody's a member. I know you can get it, but I'm not going to do this. You do whatever you want.

The point is, whatever you do, there's a way to track it.

JEFF WEISS: I'm not saying this to be mean. I don't have the bandwidth or the time or the inclination as a person to do it. Because know it's important to me yet. But when Facebook started, I didn't know that either.

And I now have a Facebook account. I never use it, but that's a different thing. I now have a Facebook account because it's become a thing. So that happened because all the students used it.

So LexisNexis started in the 1970s, right? Lexis did. And none of the lawyers wanted to use it because they had law libraries. But Lexis gave the technology to all the law schools So all the people in law school started learning to do research on Lexus.

This is the 1970s. Then they went to their law firms and they said, I don't want those fucking books. I want that computer. Right.

And it took a couple of years, but it took the groundswell of the younger lawyers now joining law firms to ask for it. So what I'm trying to help. Well, here's the thing. So I'm asking you a slightly out of the box question, like, can you get all the students to use this because they think it's really cool.

JONATHAN HARE: Well, a couple of things. If you read the patents, it's all in there. So if anybody, whatever the fuck, this will all just happen, right? And not everybody needs to understand this.

You literally do not need to understand it. However, in here, see this quantum privacy cell, where is it? Where is it? Somewhere in here so the point is you can activate one of these things so first of all and right now we can give them to everybody so it's like if you just do some intros or fucking anything you will be rewarded big time if you sign it you can actively manage it form your own accelerators cut a bunch of deals and make fuck tons of money but not everybody will do it I don't know now later on when you click on anything that's connected by easy access and we can enable something with easy access most people are not going to do everybody has to have legal agency in the network for it to work, to do these AI things.

You need that. How the fuck do you get it to do it without it with everybody's going to read all the shit and trust it? So short term, we're saying we got these accelerators. They're based on dual use technology with enterprise participants doing it right now with their own devices.

They're doing it with their own hardware. They're doing it with their own software. They're doing it with their own hardware. They're doing it with their own software.

They're doing it with their own hardware. Own financing that can actually, they are viable privacy network exchanges. They're not quantum privacy exchange or whatever else, but they can connect at resources to make valuable. And you can actually create personal privacy networks immediately and start growing.

That's the problem. How do you get all these resources? It's zero marginal costs. So we create the accelerators to pull those things.

The accelerators create exchange networks, resource pools, which are essential elements to make a self-organizing governable system. These things must exist. It's built into our model. We have enough adoption already to drive it.

Remember Millman and all these motherfuckers? They have hundreds of millions of dollars spent. So they have everything we need. So it's like, hey, gosh, what does it take to incrementally grow this thing?

How much strategic commitment, budget, what does it take? Fucking nothing. You can add anything. If you work at a company and say, listen, just by doing my job, I can use this standard technology because our stuff is not, we're not replacing things, we're assimilating all into a universal unified model.

We're not replacing it, we're connecting it and enveloping in these quantum privacy cells and quantum privacy demons. They're impenetrable, which will emerge over time. We don't start there. That's where you end up, right?

We can start initially, use existing infrastructure, everything else. So it can become valuable. Then, by the way, guess what? What if you have a database and somebody, people have databases, they have compute, they have mailing systems, messaging, all this sort of stuff.

If you take, if you say you have an app, you're Yahoo, you're anybody with an app, Google, Meta, anybody that has apps, mobile apps, websites, or content that authenticates people and requires them to opt in to anything, any of those people whatsoever. It's like, okay, add this type of language. It doesn't have to be this exact language to your privacy policies or terms of service saying you're going to create a personal privacy network. You don't have to explain what it is, right?

Add that. Call this API, which is OpenID OAuth, really simple. It's asynchronous, doesn't change your user experience whatsoever at all. But when you get your consents, if you have consents that have this language, you can feed that into this API.

It'll feed you back a trust block. There's now an opt-in user that you get credit for. That user now has a personal privacy network. What it automatically does?

It creates a series of quantum privacy cell from that source. So every person or every organization, you can have a billion quantum privacy cells. It's just a log entry. It's all it is.

But it has its policies, all its infrastructure tied to that exchange provider, which means I just got a user now on their behalf without their knowledge. And I verified all this shit legally. It's like, do you have to have to know what a quantum privacy cell is? Don't they have to opt in?

No. In fact, it's considered not a best practice because you'll fucking confuse them. Right. So it can actually so when you actually access anything, it activates quantum privacy.

What it can do? It's your legal agent. It's not separate from you. It's acting as your agent.

Even though it is the corporation, it's acting on your behalf personally. It can enforce your rights, enter into contracts with anybody else. Now you can actually contract with anybody. You all have legal entities that enter into contracts, grant revenue sharing, anything else you want.

And then you don't even have to know about it. It eliminates all the legal and regulatory friction. It's fucking gone. What else it does?

Now we have an incentive scheme because what, why the economy is so dysfunctional and this is all in the patent, which you should read because otherwise you regret it later. But you don't need to, if you don't have time to read it, whatever, hell. So anyway, so it's like, okay, well what's the problems? Corporations, they have all the scale, they have all the resources.

Why do they suck at innovation and why are they so stupid? Because the guys at the top, how am I supposed to know who's doing what and how it helps me? How are my people able to collaborate across organizational boundaries with other people when we can't see the data? How do you measure goodness and metrics?

How do you work people? We don't even know what's going on. We're not allowed to know what's going on. Then we come up with these hierarchical and consent of schemes, which are all internally focused and totally asymmetric and fucking biased.

And guess what? The people work for Microsoft or whoever it is like, yeah, what's it to me? So it's incredibly hard. Then you have governments, which are worse.

They're, they don't care about money. It just makes them corrupt. You do stupid shit for political reasons or whatever the fuck. That's a complete disaster.

And then, but we have venture. Okay, venture. Okay, you're gatekeepers to money. You give billions of dollars to people because they happen to work at open AI early on when you wouldn't fund that, right?

And I was like, but can you get user engagement, data? Do you have all this? You have to buy it. It's really fucking inefficient and you make stupid decisions.

This thing is like, guess what? It's a universal, we're creating a universal Now, one of the things is later on, when people click on this, you just activate it.

JEFF WEISS: So at that point, very soon, it goes viral.

JONATHAN HARE: So when somebody click an existing system, so say MetaDesert or fucking anybody with a website, fucking anybody, right? In one day, you can enable this. Your entire user population enable. And immediately you can pull in all their files.

You can pull in all their files. You can pull in all their files. And guess what? That network has tokens behind it.

Every resource, every element, every contract you rely upon, every piece of data, every fucking algorithm, everything is a resource token. Some person or set of people cause every single resource to be connected to the exchange. They get to define among themselves how they allocate those resources. And that's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Resources, then they create pools of them and networks because networks and pools are much more valuable than individual research, because these are all big total fucking commodities. So easy to connect.

But networks are not commodities. Right. So we do. Guess what?

They're the accelerators which anybody can create. You can create your own one. We have these global ones because you need fucking scale. And it's a way where, hey, people, if you just make an intro, you can make billions of dollars.

Billions of dollars. You don't have to do shit. Some people choose to roll up their sleeves, right? By the way, we have in here the stuff about, everybody can have quantum privacy cells or the universal.

It's like the cell in the eukaryotic life. That's what I explained to fricking Bill Haseltine. It's based on the way life works in eukaryotic with organelles, blah. So it's a common universal infrastructure.

And it's for people and organizations. We're giving to every institutional investor or private office for fucking anybody and say, guess what? The problem with these guys is, how do you get that through? How do you get them to even do any due diligence?

And then how do you get it through committee? And all they can give you is money. So it's a portfolio. So first of all, hey, if one of these partners sees it's like, why don't you just make some intros to your portfolio companies?

Because what we really want for them is to adopt. And if they do, your company's worth be worth more money. And if you want to activate your portfolio accelerator, you'll do a ton or just make intros. You have a Rolodex?

Are you allowed to make intros or talk about shit in public? You can? Do that. You personally will be rewarded as a fucking individual, right?

Now, what we want is everybody to join. Isn't there a conflict of interest because all these stupid, LP agreements, right? There's all these fucking reasons why people can't just do smart shit or there's always some capital or some ownership trying to constrain people, preventing them from It's killing the world, right? And it's like, okay, well guess what?

You can do it now. If your firm actually adopts, you will be rewarded because you contribute to getting your firm to do something that helps them immensely, right? If they don't, you'll still monetize it. Hook us up with Satya Angello, fucking anybody because just the only smart thing is to start spreading the word.

Now you can't sign it. What's that?

JEFF WEISS: We're talking past one another. I think I know much of what you're saying, because we've talked about it before. You asked me about a meeting with Carla Broilier. Do you want me to participate in that?

And when is that?

JONATHAN HARE: Well, first of all, she's going to do it with one person. I'll probably do Mark Singer, because he's deep into this and all the people he's doing too. We're going to do another one next week with a broader team. Because the reason, whatever the fuck, I want people like you to reach out to people.

And then we just fucking get them talking to each other, right? You remember, Carla and all the people she knows right so okay let and I didn't talk to her for like six months because like people whatever the fuck she she's doing this shit and I'm across for like guys to spread it out you remember Marcelo D'Andre I think I do he's a guy from Brazil who's like the chairman for South America for the King Charles sustainable markets initiative he's the one that knows the Nobel people blah He's one of the most connected people on the planet. He's working with Milliman right now because I hooked all remember we had you met him remember him the guy He's like the most interesting guy like right, whatever. So we're getting all these people.

So he's working with Milliman for example Remember Milliman and I hooked him up. He knows all the top health care systems or payers in Brazil. Yes, right and Milliman has a deal with Albert Einstein Hospital and some of the smaller payers like hey, just cross-fertilize. It's like low quality health care, etc up in Brazil and the same exact stuff is what enables sustainable markets.

JEFF WEISS: Right. And so I'd love to participate in a meeting and to hear what how the interaction works.

JONATHAN HARE: All I fucking care. OK, you can do it. What I want is what the reason why I'm trying to get people is like, who are you going to reach out to? Because then that's what gets people fucking going if you're all waiting for everybody else.

So anyway, so you're welcome to do it. You got to start reaching out to people for your own benefit.

JEFF WEISS: Right. I have already reached out. As for a reason I don't understand, Bruce Harris stopped interacting at Walmart. The Wallenberg folks will interact when it steps up another level.

And I'm going to go to Sweden, by the way, in the middle of February. So did you meet with Jacob Jr.? I assume that was a board member you met with. I did meet with him.

Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Did you bring this up? Or you have anything to say with him?

JEFF WEISS: I did. It's not framed in a way that he can react to it. He's a board member and who he is. He is new on it.

He will follow someone else's lead. He won't lead and say we have to do something because he can't do that yet in his career.

JONATHAN HARE: Here's the model in this case. The reason I put this thing because I'm in a hierarchy, new, blah, people are, nobody can do anything, right?

JEFF WEISS: Unless you're like God, and then you can't read. Anyway, I want to come back to Microsoft. So this is the, this week is the anniversary of our meeting in Microsoft. Right.

Right. And you've made a lot of progress. And I, and whether it's for Microsoft or for, you have, through me and many other people, had multiple meetings with a lot of people about partnerships and money. Right.

You've had a lot of meetings. Right. A lot's happened on your end, but not a lot has happened in terms of money or the partnerships. My advice to you is instead of asking them again right now, give them a progress report, and a short one, like two pages.

JONATHAN HARE: Whatever. You can send whatever you want to them. I have here, by the way, the plan of these guys, a bunch of people, is first of all, what's different, right? What happened before?

We got a good meeting, right? And we couldn't get any follow-up. So now, we're launching the network globally.

JEFF WEISS: You remember Jack Lewin? That's what I'm advising you. You remember Jack Lewin? I do remember Jack Lewin.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay, so remember they have the Rural Health Transformation Program, which has $50 billion. Yes. So they get minimum of $100 million a year, a five-year. I just talked to him yesterday.

And getting at least 40 dollars in January. He works with Rick, excuse me, Dr. Oz and Abe Sutton, who's head of the CMMI. They're combining his original head grant with this one.

JEFF WEISS: So stop. So if I had the written summary that says we've made progress, like a progress report that has some numbers in it, like we're getting 40 million here or this and we're doing two or three things, I think that ought to be right person to get that is not Lee Madden, but Derek. Right? Because Derek was interested enough to be willing to get under the covers.

But Lee didn't push him.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, I think a progress report, but he did try and Yeah, so. So I'm happy to do it. By the way, you can do any progress. Do you chat?

JEFF WEISS: No, I don't know the progress report, whatever the fuck, I'm gonna reach out to him.

JONATHAN HARE: And I'll copy you. You do whatever want to because if you remember that thing sorry for getting all animated because like I got a ton going on and all the stuff's like right a really custom thing for this one person and no I'm actually not suggest and let me rephrase that I will be doing I'm not suggesting you write a little heavy cover email somebody at a high level our progress I will have that I think my advice to you is that's a good idea right now because you made progress. I know, I will, I will. But the point is, I didn't.

JEFF WEISS: And with that progress report, I will then put that in the inboxes of the three or four people I've spoken to. I've said, hey, you're already thinking about this. It's a good thing. Here's the progress report.

Do you have a pulse? Are you interested yet?

JONATHAN HARE: Right. And the point is, say you follow up on my stuff, right? And then they respond to you. By the way, we're zeroing out credit from earlier stuff.

You already have your software. This thing is like, we will have a metric or when the quantum privacy network was formed, which is like two days ago. Before that, it didn't exist. Now it exists.

JEFF WEISS: So that's part of the progress report.

JONATHAN HARE: You have to get a verifiable thing of your contribution. So even if you don't reach out, right? If you just follow up with them and they respond to you, if you get them to schedule a meeting, you get fucking credit for that. Now the thing is like, hey, we got all this information.

JEFF WEISS: You can read it.

JONATHAN HARE: It's all in these fucking patents. We're going to license it to I already structure with you.

JEFF WEISS: I'm trying to coach you to help you, help yourself, help me. And I think that would be helpful.

JONATHAN HARE: Here's the bottom line. So I will do what I just described.

JEFF WEISS: I've got a guy who's chief of staff and he's deputy secretary of energy, right? That's a whole nother market, right?

JONATHAN HARE: You realize by the way, government officials can personally benefit is totally legal. This is the cleanest thing you ever saw.

JEFF WEISS: Here's the way it works. You see in here, this all this comp, it detects conflict. So it's like, listen, we're not going to, you're not going to accept that.

JONATHAN HARE: You're not going to, you're not going to, you're not going to, you're not going to So say you're a government official and you give a contract, you don't get credit for the contract you gave at all. It will identify, we will either, you disclose all your conflicts or we'll figure it out. Because by the time we actually settle up, if you don't actively manage it, where you actually cut your own deals, if we figure it out, we will make sure if there's any impermissible contributions, they get redirected to public benefit trusts. Our EP3 foundation, that's how you solve the compliance problem.

Now, on the other hand, if you were to adopt, say in Hawaii, or in some division, that's just scoping responsibility. Other people know about it. There are all these things outside your direct responsibility. You can get credit for that fucking personally, and it's your legal right, and nobody will ever know.

Literally, nobody will ever know except the IRS will get, when you cash it in, they'll get a report of, here's how much money you made, and here's the tax obligations, but we don't share any detail, because there's so many, it's impossible to share the details. About how you earn this shit. So they will bet now the thing is these other people it's like if they say you get to Derek because the problem is you get to somebody and they got their day job they're being paid to do the stupid existing business model right it's like hey all I want you to do is take a meeting and review this shit it's all there in the fucking email the documents the patents you can review them or not there's a summary if you do we'll take a briefing and then if you fall up you get credit for that and whoever you share what they get credit for it and it doesn't even you have to be your own company.

JEFF WEISS: I want to be sure we're not talking past one another, but I am very happy to keep helping.

JEFF WEISS: And I'm trying to give you the, anyway, that would be helpful to me.

JONATHAN HARE: You asked about, had I talked to with what's his name? Gosh, what's his name? Simon. Remember he has, so the thing about portfolio accelerators is like, hey, we want all these people knowing about it.

It's super, they don't need to have clout. We don't need an organization. Organizational decision, we need people to pay attention and to get forwarded around, right? It's all we need.

No decisions, no money. And it's like, I'm giving, know about this. If somebody senses somebody and that somebody else reads it and they forward to somebody else, it's all in that document. The document has links to Google docs for all these fucking patents.

It's all there. There's plenty explanation to get it. Somebody, and by the way, to enroll, it's super simple. You don't have to do all this stuff, right?

Super easy. And by the way, it's competitive. So if you dilly dally a little bit and somebody else goes, guess what? It's sort of like Bitcoin mining.

At the very beginning, you can make billions in like an hour. If you wait, that shit is gone. Because what the reward is? To get the network to critical mass so it becomes self-funding.

After that, you have to fucking earn a living. You're on the level playing field with everybody else. So this is a time-limited competitive thing. And by the way, we're putting that to literally everybody.

And most people Most people probably won't read it. Most people will blow their minds. We don't know. Some is going to adopt, just like the web was adopted, grassroots by a bunch of fucking students.

That's how these things work. This thing, though.

JEFF WEISS: That's what I'm advising. I'm trying to find out the group of fucking students who will get it going.

JONATHAN HARE: No, but they don't have fucking leverage. First of all, the thing about that is you have to get for them to do shit. They're at micro level, which is more powerful. So if we get to somebody, it's like, what?

You should do what's best for us. First of all, do something real. But fuck it. Get it up the chain of command.

Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Case. Do Steve Case? Because I met him through Bill Haseltine. Do Steve Case?

JEFF WEISS: Do I know Steve Case? Yes. The founder of AOL.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. Do him?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah. Yes.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. I met him through actually met with him and his team and Jonathan Pleasance because Bill Haseltine sent him a two line email and he hooked me up. And I knew his brother, Dan, before he died of brain cancer because he worked for H&Q. But anyways, so actually anyways, long story short.

So it's like, OK, guess what? Born in Hawaii and he does a lot of business there right and by the way I talked to Jack yesterday he's like hey here's all the people you can get us to the head of pharma blah all these politicians like do yeah I know him absolutely he and by the way the governor of you of Hawaii who can personally benefit by the way if you do something conflicted just create a public benefit trust for fucking Hawaii right so like yeah if you lead and pioneer the stuff there'll be you won't have to tax your citizens anymore. This is incredibly lucrative. By the way, the other thing he told me by the way, this is fucking awesome.

So he's getting this big pile of money and their contracting process is so abusively stupid. It's unbelievable. It's been six months. By the way, they sole source it to us through this existing contract.

And then some got through all the approvals through the department, help everybody else. And then some guy in the governor's procurement office or the statewide procurement. So, gosh, you need to make it competitive because I don't want it to blah, blah. So just do an RFP, exactly what the right approach.

We'll put it out over fucking Christmas and have it closed by the second week of January. So that's fucking bullshit. What? Typical procurement stuff.

What he's doing? It's like, let's have Accenture manage the contract. They do it for a bunch of other states, including Delaware, who apparently is good friends. The governor of Delaware is a good friend.

They're both Jewish or something, by the way. Yeah, they're both Jewish. I didn't even know that Josh Green is fucking Jewish. Apparently, the governor of Delaware is Jewish.

They're fucking buddies. And guess what? Accenture is doing the rural health transformation program for them. It's like, I'll just outsource.

It's like, Jack, do how powerful that would be? Accenture? 40% of the revenue comes from tech vendors. They have customer relations with every tech vendor.

If you don't hire us to do your grunt work, we won't spec your shit. And my old buddy just left his head of VC there. Which is great, because his whole vision was to unify their enterprise access or their startup, blah, blah. He just left because it's a little frustrating.

It's like, we get that one fucking deal. Because what he says, like, listen, what the Trump people should do, what the world should do is just adopt this health care. He read that whole health care thing, which is brilliant. It's so beautiful.

Double health care productivity, make it freely available to poor people. And by the way, everything the CDC, FDA all these NIH people do, free is a byproduct. That data and that interaction you have, free. Research, clinical research, one-tenth the cost.

It's unbelievable. It's like, yeah, and what? The Republicans are getting their ass kicked right now about healthcare, right? What if you get one of them, and then Trump, first of all, it doesn't have to be Trump, any motherfucker, who would get it?

Abe Sutton would get it. He's the head of CMMI, which is the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation Services. With Liz Fowler, who is his predecessor, who wrote fucking Obamacare for governor or for senator, whoever the guy ran Senate Finance when they did Obamacare. Bacchus, Max Bacchus, right?

It's like, they will get this shit, right?

JEFF WEISS: I gotta hang.

JONATHAN HARE: Okay, so can you read more of this stuff? Because one of the reasons I wrote this stuff is like, it's hard to get all this. These are easily readable. You can process stuff, get in your head.

It takes a while to get your head around all this stuff. Right? Also, when you do spread it, you decide what you disclose to people, right? You don't have to send the whole thing.

You don't have to over explain it. And it's like, let's hook them up with Jack for just whatever is easy to get some action. Yeah. Right.

And this is how you get rewarded because it's we're putting this out to fucking everybody. Because anytime I talk to people right now, they give me chores to do. Can you write this little fucking cover email so I can sort to this one person?

JEFF WEISS: I thought I was the only I'm not you for a specific chore, I'm recommending and I'm not even asking.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, you're right. I was going to do the summary, but I also wanted the long form because when it goes, I wanted to go viral. So if it gets forward, just forward this.

JEFF WEISS: Long won't get forwarded and won't go viral.

JONATHAN HARE: No, they don't have to fucking forward. I'm saying, guys, you should read these ads.

JEFF WEISS: Sorry, in my opinion. All right.

JONATHAN HARE: So what if they do? So nobody forces you. Bye. They won't read the cover, they don't even have to know the rest is there.

JEFF WEISS: Yeah.

JEFF WEISS: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What's the downside?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Talk soon. Thank you, sir. Bye.