Zoom session — Marc Singer & Jonathan, the full May 19, 2026 conversation

Transcript Node: Marc Singer & Jonathan (May 19, 2026)

Date Recorded: Tuesday, May 19, 2026

Context: This conversation takes place immediately following Jonathan Hare's six-month 'Einstein Mode' period of total social isolation. Having finalized 2,091 patent claims to secure the Quantum Privacy Network (QPN) architecture under absolute novelty laws, Jonathan emerges to reconnect with his core team. The dialogue reflects the intense, high-energy process of re-wiring his brain to translate a mathematically dense, multi-dimensional mental model into linear speech for partners who lack the isolated context. The transcript has been programmatically polished to remove filler words, verbal stutters, and run-on artifacts, breaking giant blocks into readable paragraphs while carefully preserving the underlying meaning and raw emotion.

Meeting Participants & Relationships

• Jonathan Hare: The host and main speaker. Architect of the Lokahi and QPN Catalyst initiatives, detailing the economic models and launch strategy.

• Marc Singer: Senior Partner Emeritus from McKinsey and key investor. He acts as a strategic sounding board for the ecosystem valuation and enterprise adoption mechanics.

Executive Summary

- • Post-Isolation Re-wiring: This conversation takes place just as Jonathan emerges from his deep 'Einstein Mode' isolation, reflecting the urgency of translating his finalized architecture into actionable enterprise strategy.

- • Ecosystem Valuation & Launch: Jonathan details the $28 quadrillion ecosystem valuation and explains the specific launch mechanics via Hedera, emphasizing the massive first-mover advantages.

- • The Laggard Penalty: The dialogue underscores the asymmetric risk of delayed adoption. Bureaucratic delays in enterprise settings carry a massive 'laggard penalty' as ecosystem rewards dynamically compress.

- • Decentralized Activation: The discussion highlights how the QPN Catalyst Contribution Graph allows individuals to trigger cascades anonymously, bypassing traditional corporate friction.

Polished Complete Transcript

UNKNOWN: Rich Moyer - Marc Singer - QPN Overview Mon, Jun 8, 2026

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Hmm.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Rich, how do you do, man?

RICH MOYER: Can you hear me?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah, how do you do, man?

RICH MOYER: Hi, good.

JONATHAN HARE: Long time no talk. Yeah. Yeah it's been a long time yeah my life is totally changed and it sounds like yours might there's a lot going on too you have no idea dude no idea I'm playing with people with us all no I told him straight up it's like you won't believe this it's like what I'm gonna do is anyways I'll fill it in tell me what's up with you i've i've I gather you're working in the telematics space.

RICH MOYER: And yeah, so what happened in, I think it was the end of February, I came home from work one on one Friday and I went, I started, I was in my head. And then the next morning, I go, I'm, I'm done being. To leave men in sight and I want to work full-time on the other stuff I'm doing.

JONATHAN HARE: So you still own your position there. You don't work on it, right? Like yeah.

RICH MOYER: So yeah, I got, yeah, I get the money, but even that, it's like they're trying to claw it back.

JONATHAN HARE: Screw them. Seriously?

RICH MOYER: Well, the way it works is. When you leave, say I retire, then I get 10 years of payment and it's only half of what I make when I'm here.

JONATHAN HARE: I suppose if you're not, you have to have an incentive to work, I guess.

RICH MOYER: Yeah, there's already a lot of non-working owners of Medinsight. So I'm telling them to F you. So for now, that's working. But so I decided I'm mainly doing the telematics piece.

And that's turning.

JONATHAN HARE: Because I remember like a cash thing for you. Holy shit, no, they're asking again. But is it like turn the corner?

RICH MOYER: It's getting there. A, I got a bunch of investors. So I raised quite a bit of money. And then the date, this amount of data.

So, it's, it's, it's amazing amounts of data because the cars are like you can, we're getting car data every five seconds, but it could even be one second. And if you do one second, latency or batches.

JONATHAN HARE: What you mean, latency, like five seconds after it happens on the road kind of thing?

RICH MOYER: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

RICH MOYER: But you can get it up to one second and it. You get five times the amount of data depending on how frequent Anyway, massive amounts of data. So it's the cloud costs are a bit high.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. So you train because there's big AI robotics play there, I guess. That's the hot space, isn't it?

RICH MOYER: Yeah, it's got lots of potential applications. One of the things we're doing, so we always have these scores, but we're creating a data platform because nobody's integrated telemedics data from multiple OEMs. It really isn't out there, so and then video data, yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Hey, fancy Are you a hipster now? You're fancying your glasses. Are you a hipster now?

RICH MOYER: Always a hipster, always a hipster. Yeah, you see what I wear these days.

JONATHAN HARE: I can imagine. You don't have to pretend to be corporate anymore. Not that you ever did. You always had these orange suits and whatnot.

RICH MOYER: So there's a nice play for basically nobody even heard of the word tokenization in this space. I've gotten together with all kinds of entities and none of them and they're like and they're freaked out by security and privacy. They're like because a bunch of them have been sued because they're so the way they approached it was so poor.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

RICH MOYER: So anyway, so I think there's there's a huge opportunity there. Dude, you clearly I put a lot of stuff in Saudi.

JONATHAN HARE: What's going on there with the war and everything? Did that kind of shut things down a No, it's going hot and heavy.

RICH MOYER: The only thing it did, one, I had one client drop us because their data center was bombed and they couldn't operate. In Dubai, actually. I ran hit one of the data centers and caused a huge hole in the how many damage can one little bomb do?

JONATHAN HARE: Because they're not that powerful.

RICH MOYER: No, but it was enough. All the yeah, created a fire and then it created water stuff.

JONATHAN HARE: What? The first programming job I had, professional programming job, actually any programming job, Impel Corporation, then a unit of combustion engineering, now a unit of ABB. And I hired my brother. For the summer.

That's where I made my first money. But, anyways, we worked in shutdown systems, fire suppression, all that for nuclear power plants. Wow. And so I've been to a ton of them.

And that was back when Chernobyl happened. It was when after Browns Ferry. So, anyways, what we did is, they're very complex. And that's where he came Mr.

Dibbs, multiple dissimilar independent backup systems. So, there's all sorts of different fire suppression systems because fires are and the thing is, and also explosion. So, the thing is, like, when you got to shut the bitch down, like, it's got to work, right? So, okay, and it's in Ohio or something.

They had all these, but all of them ran through one room. Right? It's like, well, that's not what done it, you stupid idiots, right? And then, depending on what it is, like if a plane flies into it, so it's like fires, hydraulics are good for fires, right?

And cables are good, so you have to have, but you always have to have like a hand crank right on the reactor. So, somebody like doesn't have a family puts on a fire suit,. So that's where multiple redundant, dissimilar, independent backup systems Mr. Dibbs, right?

And so we, you'll meet rich Melt, my brother, pretty soon, because like we program the shit out of this stuff. First of all, they used to do it all in C. And then we used. Dbase and we got there's like a compiled version of it, Clipper, right?

Okay. And like we kicked their asses like two guys, the teams of these fucking C ⁇ guys tinkering away with their non-relational databases. And we fucking kicked their asses. And then we got the first copy of Auto Lisp, which was the interface for AutoCAD.

So and you could basically generate drawings automatically. And when you change, because anytime you change something, like it, their ripple effects are so complicated. These things have like tens of millions of components and one little fuck up. So I love that.

And I was like, this is in my blood from the very beginning because I built this thing where, like, if you change any feature, it would in real time ripple through the whole thing. There's like no reason to do that. Nothing happened in less than like, year, but you'd be changing with automatically ripple through the whole freaking thing.

RICH MOYER: It's like, why did I do that? My first job was in energy too. And I, it was like the same thing where I introduced, and it was a really shitty, like a precursor of SQL and a relational database. It was ADR.

I forget who they were.

RICH MOYER: Like, yeah.

RICH MOYER: But

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah and nobody knew how to use a relational database or anything so no I think they had they had hierarchical databases that's what they used the well they use COBOL basically COBOL and Fortran was what they used somewhere they used these very hard code yeah actually so I'm clearly you've been very busy because you haven't Read anything but I'll show you my favorite have you Read anything by the way no So I'll show you the PowerPoint version first.

RICH MOYER: There's so much stuff, but so my other two things, by the way, one is we're doing a lot of stuff in China with Pingon, which is the largest insurer in China. No kidding. So that kind of came back despite Trump. And then the last one is: remember Dr.

Marc?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. Yeah. You mean the guy I introduced you to?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

RICH MOYER: So I'm meeting him in London in two weeks. We're putting together a joint venture.

JONATHAN HARE: No, shit. By the way, I'm glad you were not. People thought I was mad. I like, it was like, you remember I worked on the patents and then we got the whole thing lined up.

And then he's a backstory. I went home for Thanksgiving. And super excited because, like, I could see the finish line, what? Yeah.

And my brother, so then my brother and I got a screaming match because he wouldn't Read this stuff. This is Milt, and he's like my closest friend. We've lived together most of our lives. And, like, you brothers are.

Dude, this is my life's work. It's freaking, nobody can Read it so we can talk about it. So he didn't do that, but he did have lots of opinions about our territory,. And it's like, dude, I don't tell you about rockets and flying and shit.

I ask questions and listen. So we got this huge fight. And then my stepdad came over. He's like, he could kick both of our asses with one hand.

He was I would appreciate it. You're scaring your mother. She doesn't know what you're fighting about anymore because, her mental thing. And please don't.

In front of your mother. So we stopped, right? And I told mom, like, all my life streams and so everything I talked about because she's been giving me crap for like love forever. Kid, when do you get settled down?

Can you save a little bit of money for retirement? Don't worry about it. So anyway, so that was super emotional. And then I drove.

I told you, remember, you hear about my car getting wrecked?

RICH MOYER: No.

JONATHAN HARE: So I was like, and I, I'm a hippie child and I had this girlfriend. Gosh, what's her name? She was the Danish supermodel slash lived at, Playboy, but lived. I got pictures where I can share because they're from Playboy.

Right. And she loved to get naked, right? So she did. Anyways, I was like, I need to be in my happy place, like the commune thing.

It's after midnight, and I'm driving along on this crossroads. Some woman hit me at. 90. I was doing 65 or 60, something like that.

90 destroyed the car. I was so anxious to get to that spot. I tried to drive. It was totally destroyed.

So that was a very carefully disguised busing. I got to, I had to go to the hospital for the first time in my life.

RICH MOYER: And, you Were you okay? Did you?

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, I was fucked up. I said I was fine. I was going. They said, You're not okay.

My heart rate was like 160 or something like that, which is not normal. I had whiplash and in shock a little bit. It wasn't serious.

RICH MOYER: I felt like shock.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah. It fucked up my back, basically. Which is so the best therapy was getting up to Harbin. So, but, anyways, then I had to save my anyways.

Long story short, the reason I was carefully disguised blessing is I borrowed 100 grand against that thing, and I got over 100,000 miles on that. Nobody does that. Plus, it's a European version. So the auctions, like, no idea what I get fucking thing.

And I owed 100 grand to Dr. Bob, right? So God bless State Farm and the fact that it was 190% this chick's fault, right? I got 152K in cash.

So pay the 100K owed Dr. Bob. And I had 52K in cash. I didn't find that out until like January.

So, anyways. Then talking with rich. There's really me, it's like rich or rich Smooth. It's like, yeah, nobody even reads this stuff.

We have all these people here. We're curating a Potemkin village of people that look like an organization. So, if anybody ever invests or Jack, and everybody recognizes Jack, like, maybe Jack will give him some money. That was it, right?

It's like, it was never about look high. He's like, Yeah, it's the smallest thing he ever did in his entire life, right? But in those days, we needed a launch pad, right? And so I'm gonna go finish it.

And so I got into AI, so I've got like you 200, the ultra and I have this 20x max and like all the maximum packages. And so I've been working on this since a child. And did you see that Eileen Goo video? Yeah, did you watch it?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, I didn't. I honestly, by the way, these are any, yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: Anyway, I'll show you, but the point is, I've Awesome stories here. And she's going to be help us free China, by the way. Yeah, seriously, this is everything. So I'll quickly walk through some stuff to frame it.

So, this is for Hedera. So, what I have is like thousands of pages from the bottom. How do you solve a world peace? It's basically based on, Riemann manifolds, like the same exact math.

This is not analogies, this is exactly the math. That was used to do general relativity, quantum mechanics, biology, quantum DMA, everything. How do we build a self-organizing, self-funding global ecosystem so you can start from one cell, like the last universal common ancestor for like there's 200 base pairs that are common to everything, and the organelles? So it actually grows to multiple.

Now the accelerator network blows the whole thing up, right? To interstellar with multiple universes in the quantum space. No shit, because. Elon Musk and most physicists think we probably live in a simulation.

Right? And by all I've done for the last year is when in the groove, I say, to fucking power. I didn't raise some money. A lot of fucking work.

It takes experts. But then AI knows everything. It's so much better human I've ever met. And I'm like a human LLM, right?

So I basically said, let's compress all this knowledge in my mental fusion chamber. All you have to do. Since I don't have enough gravity, is get to like 100 million degrees. Don't talk to anybody.

By the way, if you ever connect with anything, your wave function collapses, right? What? And people die. What So, like, I haven't talked to anybody at all for six months.

Now I was expecting, once Jack got the fucking money, right? I set it all up. All the agreements were there. We got people to sign them, which I wrote, right?

It's like, okay, well, and then we're and everybody was waiting for cash. Why are you waiting for cash? Are we prostitutes? I you don't see the bigger opportunity.

He says nobody asked him, right? So I didn't even care about that stuff. I was like, geez. And then once I got the BMW money in, I gave half of it to rich.

And I am not going to stop till all the way to the finish line. So I had to do is document the bottoms up, then every layer, then all the, then the QPN thing, which is quantum privacy network, catalyst network. How do you is not privacy network? It's the event.

How do you get a knowledge? There's all this shit. And so it was so much fun. Didn't talk to anybody, not one person.

Nobody called. That's not true. I recalled three times because he was worried about me. It's like, don't worry about me.

RICH MOYER: Anyway, so what? I thought I had this idea that you were, that's exactly what you were doing. I didn't know about the accident or anything. But I was kind of doing the same thing.

I went, I went, I'm done with doing this. I want what I want to do the rest of my life.

JONATHAN HARE: Yeah, me too. And what you want to do is what we want to do. And by sorry to interrupt because I do it. My brain is like a hundred times faster than anybody else's because I've trained it since birth.

There's a specific technique, and her, if you watch that video, it's based on, I saw. Anyways, watch it, but it's based on Eric Hondell, who's a Nobel Prize for neuroplasticity. Whatever, there's a reason why this works, right? And you can barely, I can barely communicate with people because they can't, they can't, they don't have the mental model, right?

And you have to get it from birth because neuroplasticity, you have to build the model then. Later on, it's almost impossible to change the model. So it's not already there. You'll never be able to compute on it.

If you can, it's much faster, right? People like that, like Elon, he's different. Everybody has a different childhood, right? They're driven and they think much faster and they start, they express in different ways.

So he says, Go fuck yourself. Remember that one? Right? I love that one.

I sent it to Thomas Segerlin. He was giving us like, it's like, dude, no problem. It's like, go fuck yourself. You're going to threaten me with like access.

Are you kidding? This is what Elon says. I said, would you talk this way to elon musk right he's like anyways so then when I was done so I finally got all done and because this is you have to in china in the eu it's absolute novelty so if you publish to anybody who isn't under nda you lose patent rights right and because we have jurisdictional optionality entangled tokens it runs in all jurisdictions simultaneously it's actually not subject to any legal jurisdiction right? At all, even without going into work, which would make it really easy, right?

And so it's like, gosh, people could round around the entire US. So I'm going to keep my goddamn motherfucking mouth shut until the patents are filed. So I couldn't talk to anybody about it until I found the files. And then when I got the patents all filed, first you had to write it.

And then I would find all the patents in here. So we're now up to, nine patent filings, 2,091 claims covering everything possible. There's no way to do it. Hermetically sealed.

And by the way, it's very high assurance, even not using the 2016 duration because we didn't file foreign back then. Anyway, it doesn't fucking matter. It's like some suit, such overwhelming force. They don't surrender, they join and pretend they were there all along.

Everybody, right? So then I put in this thing where it's like, and I was working on that. And then I filed it, by the way, filed the patents. Gemini and Cloud, and they all said, This is amazing for AI.

We solve all these big, not alignment, but the business model problem, right? There's a whole bunch of fucking problems. It's like, how about we generate this thing for so Anthropic wanted to Anthropic or Cloud, right? Dario, his wife, like, here's the five people.

Here's the outreach package. It said, Would you like us to? Sure. Here's how we get through the Agentic screen, the human screen.

Of course, they won't Read directly. This is how it. Instructions for them to route it to the right people. But if do it right, you'll get straight to Dario because it's huge probably.

Here's the pitch deck, or actually, here's the deep drive. And then here's the pitch deck, like McKinsey's all stuff derived from that. Boom, like that, right? So like consilience has been achieved.

That's like AGI, right? So from fundamentals, name a company, and it's like, okay, here's the business model. You guys are like, here's. $50 trillion for this ecosystem.

Here's how much generates it, right? Everybody wants me to generate a specific one. It's like, no, I know, like, it's wrong, right? Then, by the way, do what the market size on this thing is?

Guess available in the first 75 years, name a guess. You probably know statistics, right? What's the total investable capital in the world, according to PwC, as of now?

RICH MOYER: I have no idea. I have no idea.

JONATHAN HARE: $348 trillion. Right.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I was going to say half.

JONATHAN HARE: 500 trillion, but yeah, well, it's depending investable, that's something where you can get it liquid enough to invest in something else, right? If you take all assets, according to McKinsey Global Institute, which by the way, Marc hooked us up with already, and it's like they estimate maybe a quadrillion dollars. If you could like everything on the planet is worth a quadrillion dollars, right? So the net present value over 75 years for this thing.

Is 28 quadrillion dollars, I believe. Yeah, because we like, what's money? What do you need money for? Right?

It changes everything completely fundamentally. Right. So, anyway, so one I had this was from months ago because I had to get there incremental. It's like, let's do one with Hader.

So, you remember Hedera, right? Yep. Right? So, it's like, okay.

They have many of the elements we need. They have a governing council. We can use that as a bootstrapping thing with all those people. They have the settlement set.

This is the lowest risk financial instrument in the history of mankind. We have the lowest cut, it's unbelievable. You want to raise a trillion dollars? Rounding error, wipe my ass with that shit.

Seriously. But the requirement is you have to settle transactions because it's a global exchange settlement protocol for any resource service. A blowjob is a fucking ass resource. It is.

It's like, I want a blowjob. Okay, well, you're a billionaire. You want to keep it quiet. This is what you like, Never talk about it.

Anyways, but you need tokens and settlement stuff, which is what they do for a living, right? And so their whole ecosystem is actually worth probably half a billion right now. Excuse me, 800K or 5 billion. It varies, right?

So, what with our business model, and this is out of date, by the way. Is like 35 to 95 trillion. It's actually much higher than that, but now, but it's like, okay, it's 500 to 2700 times higher for what they capture, right? So it's like it's insane, right?

So and the thing about Google, or I like these guys because we actually have a deal with them. We did a deployment. This was supposed to be the phase B, right? Didn't do it yet.

And so they have, these are all their existing governing council members or existing strategic partners. They have live, large deployments like NVIDIA, Accenture, FedEx, all these guys. So it's like, okay. And the it works with they have this.

Have you heard about quantum contribution graphs or catalyst network? No. Yeah, it's all brand new. It's like, dude.

So we have what are called contributions. So in the initial phase, actually, where is it? Am I looking at the wrong one? Let's see.

I need the yeah. So we're in the pioneer rewards phase. It's like starting from scratch. We need people to be aware of it.

They don't have to do anything. Be aware of it. Right? And the total size of QP rewards.

For the anchor set, the first whatever accelerators is $980 trillion, right? Which sounds like a lot, but not if you got, whatever. And we're giving out $30 trillion to the pioneers, like spread the word, right? And a cascade milestone is get to somebody big like Satanadella or anybody big enough where if they do a blog post, right?

Or a press release saying something, people, is that credible? And we'll spread the word. They don't actually have to do it. And then, what if a bunch of So, of course, the first one is worth more than the later one.

So, anyway, so we have a whole model. So, here's an example: whoops. Say you were to reach out to, like, I've asked you a million times: hey, anybody at Databricks or whatever, or the Microsoft dudes, right? Yeah, the Microsoft dudes.

So, let's do that one. Get to whoever the fuck if you don't know Satya or whatever, go to them and say, okay, if you're freaking pansy, if a brain in your head, you go straight to Satya because then there's only three of you. That means you get more. And by the way, if you're dilly-delling, having the compliance people approve it, right?

And then Google goes, you cost you guys $40 billion, right? Because $50 if you were first, second is $10, and it goes down from there, right? It's always rational to do it, but anyways. But note that you can, what if you need like other people, you need a bunch of business sponsor?

We're asking for a blog post that's credible, right? Right. Anyway, so, but the point is, each of these things you reach out, and we have this QP on catalyst. Io that says, Hey, it's a way to record contributions anonymously, right?

And whatever, and build the graph. So, that's all you need to do. And I'll show you in a second, it's super easy. So, anyway, so that's.

But if you take like Hedera as an example, right? Let me get this out of the way. You remember, so they have the Hedera Council, which has like 39 members. Accenture is part of that, but IBM and Google and FedEx and all these guys around the world, they got like, it's global and different industries.

That's how, that was their way of doing governance. Who controls the protocol, by the way, it's really fucking important, right? And say, let's get big established companies. They're having economic interests.

They use the tech. So they're kind of techies. And they wouldn't fuck with their brand by doing it. And there's 39 and they rotate in their different countries and industry.

So it'd take a giant global conspiracy to have somebody. That's the way it is. Yeah, not bad, but we can fucking like, but we'll use that as a starting point. So say, okay, now you people here, these guys give away free money because that's how they get people.

They give us, it's going to be 50 million, then it's five, and then it's like, ended up as half a million by the time the thing, where the token ended up. We sell, we sold right at the bottom. It's like, hey, any one of these motherfuckers, including former people, we need to reach these people. So the individual that gets it there.

So if you know some engagement is like, get somebody. Validation is, they kicked it to the compliance and whatever. Or if somebody announces something, but it's not a big global thing. But ding, somebody got to sat in a della or whoever the fuck this is.

What? 50 billion. So that's the thing. And guys, since they're all there and they have the ecosystem we need, it's like if you're doing it as part of our does that make sense?

Yeah, I think so. So during the different phases, you start with the pioneer rewards. And this is, it's not time driven, it's milestone driven. Once we get a sufficient critical mass, because you can create accelerators.

I don't know how much about physics, but this is all deeply grounded. Cosmology, physics, different things, like how cozy and economics, all the sort of shit. So it's like, okay, what we want to do is get a whole bunch of accelerators. You can do a Saudi sovereign accelerator.

By the way, you can have grassroots accelerator, sovereign the region. You can have contractor-led, right? Do you have access? But if you get a sponsored accelerator, the people have the actual legitimate authority to use data, enforce laws, accredit things, like sovereign governments have fucking authorities.

That's the best. But, we can do it grassroots or other ways. And the longer you wait, the less goes. Cause, guess what?

If it gets to the Saudi dudes, like, you can have $50 billion too. And your ecosystem, if you move first, many trillions of dollars more. It's baked in. There's incentives to be first.

What? And it's not because I say so. It's in the quantum genomes and how inheritance is done. It's all, there's a bunch of shit.

Then once you, there's a certain point, it's like, okay, we got enough. We've saturated it. Everybody's talking about this and nothing else. Holy fuck, look at this money you're going to make.

And now it's like, okay, now cascade. We haven't, we're not automated settlement yet where the whole infrastructure works and starts settling transactions because then it's a cash machine. And by the way, guess who owns all the network at the beginning? I control.

It's, set up with Quantum Privacy LLC, which is jointly. The managing members are WebShield and EP3 Networks and EP3 Foundation, but I can vote for all those and I'm the executive director. So blah, blah. It's like I can control it because you need some, you can't contract if you have to fucking negotiate, right?

So it's like, okay, we'll set it up, boom, all the stuff. So it's like, well, we can raise money. Whatever, you can do anything if you go really fast. So you could saturate the entire world.

Why not China? Right? Anyways, I digress. So, do really.

So, here it gets a little bit more operational, right? Because you have to actually build the network. So, that's why I'm being self-funding, self-building, self-organizing, right? You guys compete.

Now, we've got this handy proof of trust accelerator, and we have the conciliant accelerator, which is the core unified services that are essential that you really have to get these fucking right. Bunch of people do your candidates, you can work together because it's got to be interoperable, and then we anoint them. And that inherently becomes the root of all these. There's a backplane, like a high bandwidth backplane network.

What? And it's like, you'll make fuck tons or whatever. We'll make, you'll make exactly what I say. So we spell exactly the rewards for different types of things because people want to know how much fucking money they're It's like if it's a contest, to know what the prize is.

Okay, these are the range of the prizes, right? Then once you can settle, which should take nine to 12 months max, because it's shit that Hedera and a million other people already do. Right? They have to do it our way, what?

And now things now, so you see the value goes down. So it starts out like a thousand to a hundred times as much as the what do you call it? The gosh, not the mature state, equilibrium. So long-term equilibrium, like if you have in the fully mature ecosystem, what's this resource worth?

Well, you're making a thousand times as much for the same level of effort. Here, right? And it goes down because, anyways, there are very specific reasons for that. Anyways, but now you do a lot.

So, still, and then it's like, now we're settling. Now, it's like, now it's by the way, these assets are so valuable because they're non-dilutive, perpetual assets, right? They'll be making money millions of years from now, at least the exchange root tokens and the accelerator tokens, since they're they incubate all the core infrastructure, they're going to be around for hundreds of years. So these fuckers are so expensive.

When I talked that number, that was 75-year MPV, right? Because, like, yeah, well, you're be spending money made like 30 centuries from now. What would you do with it other than create an asset bubble? Planetary insurance.

How about that? Right. Anyway, so this is now it's like, okay, you can own it because you want to care and feed. It's that little connector you did for this thing, and you can grow it.

And then this is self-funding growth, which is like, hey, we don't need to subsidize things other than we'll get it a credit. And this is where we bake in the governance premiums because there's this quantum DNA where the ethics and safety, a bunch of shit we have to do has to be baked in. We make sure it's really baked in before we turn it off. And then after that, we everything reverts to the network and we subsidize goodness, right?

What? So the markets work naturally. Rid of externalities, right? So you're like one of the few people on the fucking planet that could follow what I said.

No, I'm not sure.

RICH MOYER: I understand. Bits and pieces, but you'll get it.

JONATHAN HARE: It's all in there, but you'll have to understand it. I'm doing it hyper speed because, but the point is, I know, well, whatever. It doesn't matter. It's true, and you don't have to understand it.

It's like, if people have to understand it will not work. Nobody needs to understand it. I told rich the other day, you realize we don't need you at all anymore. We barely need me, except I'm the negotiator slash, Lord Protector of the Realm, because Lord Oliver Cromwell was my direct ancestor, by the way.

RICH MOYER: That's so amazing.

JONATHAN HARE: So it's like, I'm Lord Protector of the Realm. I thought of this in the bath this morning,. So, and guess what? I got to negotiate the original contracts because we can't settle shit yet.

But software, like, I'm like, anyways, so this is the types of milestones and what they're worth, so people have a feel for it. To get these, like, what do I contribute? Hook us up with somebody. And it can be like three layers in direction.

Right? As long as it gets to somebody, interlive tech, there's a bunch of shit you can do, it's all in all write-ups, by the way, right? We have the there's a bunch of ways of recording contributions, right? So any tool that exists early on, it's really easy.

We do directory capture, which email somebody, have a link to our website because you can navigate to everything from there. And then whatever else you want to, we can, we will generate the outreach packets and all this other shit, but record that it happened. So all it does is it goes to this thing, it immediately encrypts it and stores it as timestamped because it's got an email address and whoever you copied or you can see who's on it, right? It's like, we know exactly when that happened, right?

Later on, we'll build this giant global graph and have AI interpret it and say, what was that contribution or what did it contribute? Right. Now you can do lots of other ones. Ambient, this is one he did, which a long time ago nobody looked at, which is like, hey, this is actively recording.

Ambient is like all these tools. There's always a way to like, okay, let's track what's going on, rate it using AI, and then record it, but it's crypto and tokenized before it leaves, so no information leaves your possession, right? Institutionalist, what if like Satya or somebody joins, like, okay. Guess what?

Now we have massive rewards, people. Finally, we can align incentives to your employees, your customers, everybody else. It's free fucking conscious rewards. By the way, you think these motherfuckers work for you?

Do you work for Milliman? I don't think so because you'll make 100 times more over here. But it's like, but whatever. So the point is, once they play like, yeah, get all of your emails, CRMs, content management, all that shit.

Background, because if you can't link the graph end to end and disambiguate it and figure, make sure there's no spoofing going on, because if you've got trillions of dollars of rewards, people will be lying through their teeth all over the place. It's to your interest to do that, right? So in the end it's like, hey, attribution without disclosure, right? You get full credit for contributions without exposing proprietary content, trade secrets, competent employer information, verifies, blah, blah.

Participation undetectable. It creates a quantum privacy cell, which is a Delaware series LLC, completely anonymous. Nobody knows it exists. And by the way, we can reconstitute anywhere else at any time, right?

So it's like it's its existence and kind of trade secrets. It creates no employment, partnership, agency relationship. Employers have no legal or technical means to detect or compel disclosure, right? Not only if they tried.

Contributions are either dual work use, dual use work activities or constitutionally protected personal advocacy. So, if Donald Trump, or by the way, to get to Jared Ivanka, anyways, they can It's like, yeah, $50 billion. How many offers I had to hook up with Doug Don Trump Jr. Because he raised another $3 billion and it's like money time over there.

And so several people said wink, nudge. If you're taking him. Good shit would have you the U. S.

Government's like, guy kills animals for sport. I'd probably spit in his face. So I'm not going to talk to him. But avanka is that she has a soul.

I like her, right? And she's married this guy, Jared Kushner, who's out negotiating fucking things. So the real, the clean way to do it is go do it in Saudi and everywhere else on the fucking planet and set up sovereign accelerators over there. And he would coin it.

They would all fucking coin it. And that's how we'll get peace in the Middle East in about weeks. Seriously, anyways. Then we have this thing since we have deferred activation because, like, anybody globally can participate, right?

But we it's deferred. It's like, yeah, didn't create an employment. Some years down the road, once we have the private subscribing compliance service and the automated, what the financial crimes and fraud protection service look at an entire graph, making sure no funny business is going on. If it turns out this is disallowed because of whatever, we'll.

Divert it to public benefit trusts. But if you're like Trump or whatever, it's like, fuck that. It's like the ripple effects, the public sectors. It's strict violations.

And by the way, if you want to help us build that compliance service, great. What? But anyway, so it's like anybody can participate. And if you dilly-dally, if the sovereigns do it later, we don't need the sovereigns to do it.

You're cussing yourself and the thing you're responsible for. For by delaying. It is actually a fiduciary breach. Go to stupid hall of fame immediately.

It's completely the clients people is like, what you should do if you get this thing is immediately tell the top boss of all bosses because they have the discretion to do a goddamn fucking blog post. It's all that's required. Right. If you're dilly dowing, because you want to cross eyes and do dots or whatever the hell Milliman fucking people do or whatever any enterprise does, right?

It's controls You screwed your entire company because other people aren't waiting for you. It's not about enterprise anymore. So it's a big deal. We put in here what are the like, and by the way, you had to have a model for how you allocate stuff, right?

So there's different unified trust model has premiums. By the way, the hardest part is you had to invent names. If there aren't names for things, you have to invent them, right? It's like, okay, we need to align incentives to actually bootstrap the network from scratch and allow it to continue growing indefinitely.

So when Elon and I were populating, you the universe or parallel universes, blah, with his giant data centers. He's going to love this shit. I guarantee it. Anyway, so this is it how strategic?

So you have to have a model. How do you allocate it? Because there'll be billions of participants. How do you assign?

I'm not going to decide. It's. Well, so how strategic, right? Timing earlier is better, right?

How many other people were there at the time? A bunch of stuff like that. This is aligning incentives, right? Then we have governance, which is like, okay, whoops.

These are, and these are embodied in governance genomes, excuse me, quantum genomes. And then particular trust blocks actually have quantum DNA because they. Whatever. It's all in the fucking thing, right?

So, ethics: hey, be truthful, fair, responsible, sewers in interactions, commercial terms. Multidimensional quantum reputation earned through verified contribution identity. So, we have a reputation model, very hyper, but we define what reputation matters. Things that matter.

Be careful what you track. They used to tell me at business or operations research: like, you'll get, be careful what you track and reward. You'll get more of it. It, whatever it is.

Safety, AI safety, cybersecurity, privacy protection, harm prevention, both individual and system. If you want to do extreme sports and kill yourself, great. If you do it and kill a pedestrian, not good. It's going to cost you.

What? Freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of commerce, freedom of conscience, freedom from surveillance through cryptographic informants. So these are non-optional, right? So we bake them into these resource worlds, the earliest ones, they get inherited.

And it's like, you want to get your Saudi Arabian? I get to sneak a peek at your data and take your money shit in here. All of our children will never get a date in their lives. It's economically irrational to have things that violate the core governance.

Hey, you're still the monarch, right? Don't fuck with these things. Then they're sharing. It's like, hey, remember kindergarten?

Share shit, be interoperable. Don't hog shit, right? If you hog shit, you'll get a bad reputation and it'll cost you money, right? You don't have to be ethical, be smart, right?

Then there's humanities. We're going to do education, health, dignity, inclusion, workforce transition, other things like that. Or, so what the minimum? If which is the P50 median assessment, which is probably conservative, by the way, we're talking well over $100,000 for like a fucking kid in Gaza or an orphan in the say hell or whatever with nothing.

That's a bottom, right? Anyways, and then there's nature, all the usual shit we talked about. And this works through, it's a marketplace. So it's called preferential attachment.

Which, who, which trend, which resources and demands do you match? Right? It's really easy. It's pure market making thing.

But the question is, by what, right? Is it market maker? These premiums. The other thing is, by once it gets going, once the network forms, it's so powerful, you get this whole dynastic, it's a it goes to infinity, what I that's where well, proportionality, rewards.

So, scaled to verified incremental impact, scarcity of alternatives, and effort born, blah. So, if there's a massive surge of participation, it'll make the network much bigger and faster, but it's like, why would you need more than $50 billion for a goddamn fucking blog post? We put that there to create an extreme incentive, but even though the market is like five times big, we're not, you're not getting $200 billion for a blog post. You're to earn it.

You can get trillions of dollars, but you're not going to get it. The other one is balance. So monitor things, look for systemic imbalances, concentration, exploitation, or governments, monocultures, because those are dangerous, right? But your governance monoculture is somebody else's like dynasty.

What? So we have to put in premiums. If these things are identified, they'll be dealt with. Not severely, it's at the edge.

What So it's all in there, right? So this governance model that self-organizes. It will take a while to incubate and curate, right? But it's all there, right?

The rest will be with AI, right? And there's some human governance kind of it's not quite token, but the point is humans cannot fuck this up because they love fucking up everything possible, right? There's nothing humans can do. We're starting with mother's love, by the way.

It's like, I, but to have fun, we're like, yeah, that's why I got all my girls, the conciliant angels. By the way, you can be an angel too. But the original ones were Jonathan's angels because of Charlie's angels. And I said, what, Yoda is my old executive assistant.

I'm gonna tell a story, but she was hooking up. With like Marc Andreessen's. You don't think I can get a Marc Andreessen? And then, like, her, she works for David Schmeier, is like the president, the wife, personal assistant for the wife of David Schmeier, who's like the president of Salesforce, right?

And she's like, I gotta do, I'm trying to get my son a job, or something. He doesn't want to talk to your son, right? This is a gift. It's like, if you.

Should be telling, because before anybody else, I you were harassing me to help your son out, what? And it's like, you should tell everybody you love, care about, fear, respect. Otherwise, they will be pissed at you if you didn't, right? What?

Pissed. And so, anyways, long. So, the whole point is, it's whatever, I digress. We're and by the way, these are all things that they have going, right?

Amazing. It's boom, instantly. Now, the thing is, I remember these guys. I'll skip this.

Yeah, the thing. What do we need to do? For these guys, hey, formalize the anchor commitment. It's a follow-on amendment to the deal I already have.

Activate your council members and ecosystem partners, right? And then start building shit. And then rather than using your token, they're down to half a billion dollars in their governance reserve, which they pay people to do shit. What?

You want a $100 billion? What do we need? Yeah, great. Anyway, so it's super, it's complete fucking no-brainer.

This is old, but it's like, this is, hey, you're like, this is, this is what you captured, seven to $33 trillion, your fucking members, right? Or you could sit on your goddamn fucking ass. Now, guess what? Did I send this to anybody?

No. Because my grandfather's a nuclear physicist, and I've studied that shit since six years old. It's like, okay, if it goes up, anyways, actually, why? When I am, first of I like symmetry and I wanted others and I wanted Loki to get there.

And we got a whole bunch lined up, right? And the main thing is I had to fucking file the patents. Yeah, that was it. I have to file the patents, right?

And finish the job and then make it accessible, but I banked it. So here's a few others, right? I'll show you this because let's see. So, this one, so the last thing I did is like, are there any?

So, I know that there's a lot of, I incorporate a lot of Turing Award and Nobel Prize type stuff in here. I did it right. So, it's but then can you identify any additional Nobel Prize or Turing Award-worthy contributions in here? So, here's Eel recognizing.

So, Nobel. So, total of 53. Right? So these are the ones in economics.

And it's a high bar, we said, right? They had to look at every Nobel Prize ever given and that high bar. So this is the end of Cozian, Coase, Ronald Coase, right? So what if there's no information asymmetries, no transactional friction?

And then, by the way, what if there are no asymmetries or excuse me, there's no externalities, right? Then why do you need? Enterprises? Why do you need regulations?

Why do you need taxation? Why do you need governments? Except for border control and shit, right? At a civilizational scale, adaptive governance, that's kind of nerdy thing.

Quantum privacy, this is how you get, we're going to reinvent all finance, right? Quantum privacy is like 30 times more efficient and we'll assimilate them all, right? It's like the rational thing is dump all your cash in at this very low interest thing. What is fucking beautiful, right?

Universal capitalism. This is my favorite because I've been working on it since the freaking commune when I was eight years old. New system of reconciling capitalism and socialism, right? Because they're both broken.

This is better than both. Blah, blah. Quantum liquidity pool, universal medium of exchange and store of value backed by all economic capacity, right? Tokenize everything, any potential thing.

It's unbelievable. And you need it, by the way, because like if the economy starts booming, the monetary system can't handle it. It, right? This one can, infinitely.

One of our cascades is the pool first one, like the tokenization. Oops, actually. Marshalie, I'm jamming with rich Moyer. Say hello.

RICH MOYER: So great to talk to you.

JONATHAN HARE: I wanted to make sure. Are we, call it 10. I don't have, I'm, I No, that's tomorrow, or I don't know when it is. No that's that's me and mark now this I'm doing it individually you've you've had enough of me sweetheart you go get other people activated I'm I'm doing yeah so that's a rich mark singer is gonna join us in 10 minutes okay so you don't need me no I'll record it you can see the recording or whatever go spread the word get the get the save the world going get the faith and tradition stuff going and follow up with, yeah.

Okay, great. Thanks. Bye. So, anyways, where are we?

Liquidity pool. So, and it's yeah, Brenton Woods. There's all this shit. Once you get in the groove, it's it's all there, right?

Then there's skip ahead to my favorite.

RICH MOYER: So, how do you get this go? I, always the I only understand about 25% of your stuff.

JONATHAN HARE: You're you're at a I know, nobody understood it. I knew it was.

RICH MOYER: Yeah. So, but it's the how do you get how do you get this stuff going? It's like, okay, I have a right now, one of my biggest problems is nobody trusts anybody with their data in telematics.

JONATHAN HARE: Well, it's all, the reason I shared that, so where that came from is we have this corpus, which we haven't finished getting all in there. So there's all these patents, right, and how they work together, because that's one aspect of it, right? But that's the patents. That's to defend your IP.

Here's not all of corpus yet. So here's a short executive summary. There's a set of core documents, universal exchange, ownership, AI, and abundance. That's what core shit and how you model it.

What the fuck? This is Catalyst Launch Plans and Rewards. That's what has the five, actually six cascades, launch cascades. Right?

Okay. So there's enterprise cascade, which is what the Hedera is an example of And by the way, any organization could trigger it, right? Anyway, then there's Grassroots Cascade. There's Sovereign Cascade.

There's Investment Cascade. There's Pool First Cascade. If everybody starts tokenizing their assets, which is valuable in and of itself, right? Guess what?

That's a lot of power, right? It would trigger it. What? All those assets are tokenized.

Guess what? A privacy network exchange and it's cooking, right? And the final one is my favorite, which is the, what do you call it? The faith and tradition one.

Do you see the Leo? Anyway, so they're all in there. I spell it out in great fucking detail, right? Then the drills that so I did those with this one.

Then I say, okay, how do you actually allocate it? Right? You actually have to have rules or a model for as it grows, right? Because it can't be me negotiating.

I don't even want to see these motherfuckers. What And it doesn't work because then that's corruption. That's the source of corruption. You'll have, you have your oligarchs.

It always turns into corruption. So it can't be. So that's all in here, right? Then there's a bunch It's all there, right?

Then what I did is blah, blah. What are these? These patents. And then we, this is the one I was showing you, the patent, because when I went through all this stuff, it said, can you go find him?

And found 53. And it's like, and like, we need a narrative. First of all, it actually helps the model to ground it in theoretical foundation. LLMs are good at it, but if you don't tell them, they're not going to find this shit.

Once you tell them, they anchor on that. Because we have a projections model which is based on first principles. The problem with LLMs is the good thing is they're trained on everything, but they're only trained on what they have access to. So it's like, okay, you were trained in North Korean brainwashing camp about how the system is completely up.

So when I first did the projections, I did a whole bunch of runs and it started out as like $2 trillion, something like that. And like the cold start risk was the biggest. That's what you're facing, right? So it's like, it had a 30%.

It never gets off the ground, right? It's like, really? And then once where it said, and then once it said, okay, what if Site and Indell adopted, we got Microsoft going like, and then it's like, wait a minute, it's not really cooking until 2035. And it's like, yeah, because until it's actually proving and transacting at massive scale, people won't fall.

Are you fucking kidding me? And then, yeah. And then I found out it's like, it has, it can't keep the whole corpus in mind. Right.

So, this is something in they import assumptions based on randomness, right? So, I had to do these really elaborate things, break it down, interim results, do six passes, do a prior model, then a bunch of fucking shit to get it to think right. But then we prove it, right? Anyways, so it's it's it's all in there, and nobody needs to fucking understand it.

Start spreading the word, right? Now, my favorite one, because you were there. Shit, you were there. Holy shit.

I'm gonna ask this to Marc because he's got another one. I'll have him join this one. You, Marc, right? Let's see, where are we?

Actually, look at this. I'll get to one.

RICH MOYER: Remember, EO Wilson and the thing we did with the by the way, because of I was reading so something sparked by. Interest on EO Wilson. And so I started, I Read this on the weekend.

JONATHAN HARE: You did? Yeah. God bless you, man. Holy shit.

I'm only halfway through. You Read the whole thing? That's a my. Man.

I Read half.

RICH MOYER: I Read half, and I, but I started it.

JONATHAN HARE: So, no, thank God. I probably gave it to you, or I'm sure, whatever. But, anyways.

RICH MOYER: Let me I was reading I was reading quotes and it turned out this was the only one that was at Elliot Bay Books I hate Amazon so I I have to buy from an independent book company so anyway I had like 50 of those you can get it in PDF whatever let's see let's add yeah to buy a cool version from a used bookstore Yeah, actually, he's gonna be on his driving, so I'll get in his phone.

JONATHAN HARE: Where's it? God damn it. How isolated I was? I forgot how to share shit in Zoom.

I forgot how to Zoom. Can you believe that? It's like I lived in Zoom. It's like, man, I've been like, where's Marc?

RICH MOYER: Anyway, what I'm hearing, what I'm hearing is I should get on the your website and it's got materials that will help me figure out how.

JONATHAN HARE: I'll walk you through personally. I'll show you how to do it really easy. It's so easy. I wanted people educated because you were like the leader, but then you're out of it.

And there's like you and me were, well, whatever. It's like people don't know what to do. And it's like, it's all there. Anyways.

And it doesn't matter because we don't need anybody. There's like, anyway, so here's the thing. So have you seen this? By the way, shit, you got your shit with what's his name?

Marc. Yeah. So, what, so, anyways, I did all stuff, and I had all the Nobel Prize stuff, and then there's like, how do we peacefully solve autocratic regimes and blah, like everything you anybody cares about, right? And then the encyclical came out, right?

RICH MOYER: And by the way. His mentor is King Charles.

JONATHAN HARE: I know. We've talked about it 50 times. I know that. I know that.

I know that. So what this thing does is like a unified solution to the cause of action of E. O. Wilson, King Charles III, and Pope Leo IV, right?

So he wrote the creation. This is E. O. Wilson after consilience.

There's a Terra Carta, which is King Charles thing. And then there's Magnifica Humanitas. And by the way, anyway, so I digress. So it explains what these things are, right?

What they are, right? Turns out, three calls to action. And by the way, do they think they have a solution?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.

RICH MOYER: No.

JONATHAN HARE: Probably not. All calling for the same thing. No, have not a clue, right? And by the way, this is the AI stuff because, one of the guys who's recommended in the Anthropic Outreach.

Was the guy there walking in with the Pope, right? Chris O. This guy, right here, by the way, right? So, all these guys say, We're gonna kill everybody, it'll be our fault, but we're going anyways, right?

And this guy says, AI development is concentrated in a handful of wealthy nations. We, how can we ensure the gains of AI are shared globally? We don't have a mechanism, it's not solved. Well, we've solved it.

Good thing you're asking for it, finally. Whoops. So, anyways. You can Read this there.

I'll walk you through it. And by the way, I do great audio things.

RICH MOYER: On WebShield.

JONATHAN HARE: No, this is, we're getting these media things to get it really transmittable, right? We're it's a process to get all done. But this is my favorite part. I was like, dude, this, EO Wilson, right?

So anyways, I say, hey, when I did all that shit at EO Santa Fe Institute, because working on sellers, like, how do we do this stuff? And he and I reached the same conclusions like,. And the middle of this chapter, by the way, you probably haven't gotten it. There's a chapter the middle with excerpts in Complexity Science Magazine and in, or a different one in Atlantic.

That's how my grandma turned me hey, that's like you. Read it on your sabbatical, right? And he says, the one hopeful, what he's calling for. We have this moral duty to unify the natural and the human sciences.

Otherwise, we'll wander around and kill everybody. That's what he's, that's his point. And he said, the only thing that's the only hopeful sign is. The complexity theory at San Fe Institute.

But I looked at it and I talked to all those guys and thinking it's like, it's sort of descriptive of why Google is worth a ton of money, but it's not prescriptive, like, doesn't tell you build it, and it doesn't, it's not predictive, it doesn't tell you where to go. So useless. And that was the not useless, but not very useful. That's what I concluded, right?

So I ended up. When I got back, I changed the name of the company to Consilient so I could meet the dude, consilient. Com. He's going to respond to it.

Spent seven hours or in his lab. A wet lab because at the university, but He could have whatever he wanted. Looking at his ants and talking. It's like, let's do this foundation.

Right? And I'll fund it because I'm worth like 20 million bucks or whatever. But quickly, I wasn't, but anyway, so we got the answer, right? And then he wrote this book, Creation, where he says, anyways, and this is the timeline.

So this is the this is matching what the encyclical asked for. See, magna, magnifica, humanic, whatever the fuck, magnifica humanitas. This is what they call for. Freaking nailed every single one of them.

Every single one of them. And it was in our corporate and in the Nobel stuff. Everything at first, completely nailed already, right? This is a timeline because we're doing this into movies, books, videos, songs, freaking, what's his name?

Walter Isaacson, who I actually know pretty well. He's doing the biography. Chris Nolan is the cool fucking movie. This shit's happening, dude.

So I said, Okay, here's the short lineage by the way. He published Unity Knowledge. I renamed the company so I could meet him, right? We had our first meeting.

Then he publishes a creation to appeal an appeal to save life on earth. We need to, he says science can figure out the answers, but nobody pays attention to us. Religion, and by the way, science or other traditions that people, things that people follow, what? Political parties, whatever.

We need to unify, right? Then I got poor, but then I'm hanging out with my buddy Pam Alexander's place in Aspen, like I often did. And she got me a free pass to this ideas festival at Aspen, right? Hey, and I'm walking down with Bill Joy.

These are all completely verifiable stories, by the way. I've got hundreds of them. It's like, Ed, what are you doing here? Yeah, I'm the keynote.

Cool. Let's go around. It's like, you remember that? And because you were fucking there for one of these things.

You remember that foundation we talked about? Some guys created one, they chose a name in my honor. That's how they got Harrison Ford and Six Nobel Lords and Steven Pinker and Stephanie Shack.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:06 - rich So, yeah, I think I remember going to a dinner with Jay Short.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:11 - Jonathan Hare Yes, that's the next line, dude. Pay attention. Yeah, it's like, so the next thing is, so he hooked me up with Jay Short. I'm glad this is being recorded because I need this for evidence for the historians.

Walter Isaac. I'm not kidding, dude. It's like, see, I remember that. Did, like, did I coach you into this?

No, he was there. But anyway, so then, so I got with Jay and Charles Short or Charles Smith, and they made me. So then he won the TED Prize, right? This is EO Wilson.

And he called me up or we talked and said, Hey, my wish is this entitlement of life, which is, whoops. Yes.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:51 - Jonathan Hare Hey, Jonathan, it's Marc.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:52 - Marc Singer I'm here.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:53 - Jonathan Hare Hey, how are you doing, man? Good.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:02:55 - Marc Singer I saw your link. And I've got the 10 to 1030 window.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:00 - Marc Singer Hey, rich.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:01 - Jonathan Hare No, I'll keep it really tight, but and then we'll talk about yourself. But this is rich Moyer was at some of these meetings. Yeah, I'll do this thing. So, anyways, we went to the whole Google thing, right?

So we created a consilience initiative. Because that was the only way to do it. It's what I've been working on forever, right? And went there, and it's all in here.

Basically, they brought the entire brain trust because we had all these guys, right? So, where do you have that deck?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:27 - rich What's that? Jonathan, where do you have this deck?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:30 - Unidentified Speaker I'll send it to you. I've sent it to tons of people, nobody reads it. Excuse my French.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:33 - rich I've said now, this one I'll Read. I'm kind of I got my other, my new business going, so now I'm kind of feeling a little more freed up.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:03:45 - Jonathan Hare And dude, you're doing this. You'll make hundreds of millions of dollars and save the world. This stuff we always talked about. So anyway, so Ed was a whole crowd and they had the brain trust.

And Adam Bosworth, who was my mentor at Microsoft, famous dude, head of engineering there, later became head of Google Health. You've probably met him. Anyways, he's what you're asking for, way beyond what we can do. Here's why we couldn't possibly do that.

Peter Norvik, who's a complete rock star. So I said, yep, I agree with Adam. It's not impossible to take 10, 20 years and a major breakthrough. And I'm sitting there smiling, right?

So anyways, and then I said, after that one, it was awesome. And said, hey, why don't we go, you guys want to fly up to Microsoft? I have some people out there. Remember Lily Ching?

If you're at the meeting. She's now the head of all fucking AI shit at Microsoft, right? And Jim Carcanius, who's, he ran the data platforms, AI stuff. It's like, I'll hook you up.

We'll it was a mini version because we didn't have the Nobel Prize. And then you, right? Remember? And then we went to the Gates Foundation.

I can't even remember. And then you probably got us to somebody. We met a bunch of people. And then, yeah, I'll tell you this later because I'll start crying.

But anyway, I can get through it. So it's like, no, I'm going to start crying. So I can't do it. But Because he said, 2013, this is the last time I saw him.

He came to and he was published this thing called Letters to the Young Scientist. And he said, and then he saw me because I was there with my friend Haida. And he says, I'm getting old. I'm probably going to die soon.

But I need to pass the time to you, I got you, buddy. I will take it to the finish lines at night. So that's why everything should be consoling everything now. Right, because it's about saving the world.

Yeah. Well, it's funny.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:05:45 - rich I got into it. Marc, I was telling him I got the book because I saw something on one of Jonathan's slides and got interested because I saw. They're pretty amazing quotes from him.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:01 - rich So, and the way.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:05 - Jonathan Hare And by the way, tell us, well, Marc, give us an update on your end because I see you've been busy. How have you been doing, man? I've been all right.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:16 - Marc Singer So to finish off that, whose book are we talking about?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:19 - Jonathan Hare Conciliance.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:22 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah, Edward Wilson.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:06:26 - Jonathan Hare He was at the Microsoft meeting. So see, Ed didn't come to that. They brought all, Harold Varmus, Jeffrey Sachs, all those guys. Ed were down at Google because that was like a two-day session with been planned.

And I said, hey, let's go to Microsoft with, the CEO and the real founder, the people who actually paid for the shit. Everybody else was. Doing their thing. What?

And so we went to Microsoft and I knew Lady Chang was the head of Microsoft Research for like AI or something at the time. And she's a complete rock star. I met her through Esther Dyson and whatever. She's a sweetheart.

I was like, she'll take a meeting. When you say E. L. Wilson and the foundation and the concealing stuff, actually, I'll show you.

Here's the original deck. Where is it? Do I have conciliance? Yeah, concealing slide.

Yeah. These are the members, right? And then if you look at the consilience initiative it's an I'll show it to you sometimes like it nothing has changed right because the vision was always the arcs act it takes a while to whatever where is it so this is see these things here at the bottom that what consilience initiative proposed in 2016 self-funding open information ecosystem across disciplines like ed this is what it will take to do what you're saying right Data interchange across systems or organizations, identity, reputation, and verification across organizations, distributed fine-grained access control across systems, anonymity and privacy protection for sensitive data, explicit data ownership and rights management, and information markets for productive contribution and curation. And the other thing I told him, by the way, because everybody's like, you want to do it for biology?

He's like, no, no. Do the general case, solve all problems, focus on humanity first, like healthcare, it's the same underlying platform. There's not enough budget to take care of animals. They'll never get there, but it's exactly the fucking same stuff, right?

So then you'll get it for free. And if you solve the general case, you'll have your funding model. That's how to do it. Now, everybody else, they got 50 million bucks from the National Science Foundation to do something with whoever the fuck.

So there is an encyclopedia of life, which is basically a glorified Wikipedia. Right? And a database. A little bit more than that, but not much,?

So we, all these organizations, by the way, this is a way of unifying all these guys. So your buddy Marc, who Marc has met, Marc, you remember Marc? Marc? Yes.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:08:48 - Marc Singer I think I was on a Zoom with him. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:08:52 - rich So we've been talking to him for, I don't know, about a while, three or four. Three or four months every week to do a joint venture with the he's got this shared value platform that he developed.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:09:07 - Jonathan Hare what he has, by the way, because I've been working. I'm like, when do we get in front of a sustainable markets initiative, King Charles? He knows the dude freaking personally. He knows all those guys.

And all he has to do is like, dude, all you have to do, who's on sustainable markets? It's like, all these giant companies freaking industry it's like tell them you'll make you want a freaking funding you'll get like a trillion dollars by telling them right and I was but everybody's waiting or whatever it's like get it all there's completely undeniable and by the way mark is like we're cranking now I'm cranking in 15 different directions I'm telling you guys pay attention right so anyways you activate I did I didn't even reach out to marcella because I'll freaking check with you or peter right That's who would he check with you and probably Peter. You remember the thing when he went to the Catholic Church, whatever, and they had that whole interfaith thing. That whole thing, where was that?

Mexico and South America. Those are his freaking initiatives with the freaking probe, right? So it's like, cross-fertilize it. All I want to do is get your head around this stuff.

We'll make it easy. Sign up. You don't have to. You'll be screwing.

It's a gift. It's not an ask. It is a gift. It's a treasure.

We want to share it and we want it going through people with philanthropy, the right mindset. Because I don't want capitalist pigs doing this stuff. It'll it'll be annoying. And by the way, they'll try and I'll have to fight with them to do the right thing.

Not going to have to fart with you or Marc. Right? Or King Charles. He's rich enough.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:10:38 - rich I get it. Get going. It's been more than an hour. I don't want to be respectful of you and you're activated.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:10:46 - Jonathan Hare Get on it. And by the way, we don't need squad from development other than rich already has login credentials, I believe, right? Yeah. We don't need you to do anything whatsoever.

People don't realize, but there's an ecosystem there. We prefer. By the way, when I mapped out Lakahi, remember it said it was 30%. Cold start failure risk.

The first thing I did is mapped out.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:11:10 - rich It doesn't matter.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:11:10 - Jonathan Hare It's not you. It's nothing. You don't have to do anything. People don't understand, right?

So the point is, there's an organization here. It's grassroots. It doesn't require any organizational sign-up or any resources. So all I did was like, I got it down to 10%.

Like, here's Lokali, here's the members, here's the signed agreements. We've signed agreements with all these people. They're pre. To activate, like Hedera is.

Hedera is 100 times as powerful. Or my buddy is now the head of partnerships at Databricks. All we wanted you for is freaking Databricks. But the point is, but we have this whole Lakahi thing.

It'll be a little embarrassing for you all if you don't activate it. It's so freaking easy. We don't need it at all. What it is now?

In terms of six cases, actually, five cascades, 99.93% probability of activation. Doesn't require any particular organization, it's an economic, like it's going up all over the place, and then we'll allocate it, doesn't depend on any evolution, it's got nothing to do with that. You are thinking mechanistic, step-by-step, bullshit, bureaucracy, bullshit. A problem.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:17 - rich I grew up in right.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:19 - Jonathan Hare You, everybody, you've been in the North Korean concentration camp, your brain is completely washed. It's like figurative as a matrix, right? So, whatever pill, it's the inverse matrix, which is like, hey, you're in a hellhole, you've been trained in your whole life. Boom, you're in heaven now.

Take the damn pill, what? Or it'll wake up your brain, right?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:38 - Unidentified Speaker I agree. Okay, I'm gonna look at your site and start figuring things out for myself.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:12:44 - Jonathan Hare All right, man, thanks. Really appreciate it. Let's follow up later. And get Gondano, she's waiting for somebody to give her permission to.

Whatever. Make shit happen. Start talking to people. That's all you talk to people.

Initiate anything. Anything. Okay. No money.

All right. Cool. Thanks. Hey, Marc.

How are you doing? Doing all right. All right. Driving back from Tahoe.

Man, I'm so jealous of you, of all your bike riding because, like, I'm so out of shape. I'm down to get my riding weight, but I have no muscles, but I'm teetering around like a grandfather. So between you and Eileen Goo, and or actually one I like is, well, there's a lot of people who can help train me, but who's in Marvel? The Captain Marvel.

The Blondie, Captain Marvel. The movie. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:38 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. I'm not a big pop culture.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:13:42 - Jonathan Hare Well, she's beautiful. She takes a bunch of crap because she's feminist and like she gets snarky when people make judgmental comments about women because she's a powerful kick-ass woman. Right. And guess what?

The dudes in the Marvel universe don't much appreciate that. Right. But she works out a lot and she does these training videos like, okay, she can kick my ass into shape. Or Eileen Goo.

And I'm not joking because I'm going to, Beverly Hills and all this place. Hey, I've been saying it for 15 years. You want adoption? You want awareness?

It's entertainment, sports, education. That's where you get it, right? Not by talking at conferences about healthcare.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:28 - Marc Singer Well, I got immediate responses from Roger Roberts and James Kaplan on Friday afternoon. So gotta, I gotta get and connect me with their EAs to get scheduled. So, do you want to join those? Yes.

That was my point. It's the point is, accept meetings.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:14:50 - Jonathan Hare I won't ask for them. Yeah. It doesn't work. It's more credible.

You didn't didn't Read it. What they probably took a glance or their AI summarized it. Is this worth responding to Marc or whatever? But the point is they're not going to insult you by not responding.

Right. And by the way, what? If a meeting gets scheduled, that's worth a lot. That's, it's one thing to send a message.

People are like, sending a message, that's worth zero unless they acknowledge it. And the best thing is, do you get a meeting? You get a meeting, then you got a thread, then you own that thread. And then what they should do is not start talking to everybody they know everywhere because that makes McKinsey worth more.

It's not like they're cheating McKinsey, it's like, hey, McKinsey is a group of people, right? We always work through individuals. So if they spread the word, say if McKinsey formally adopts, then it combines the McKinsey graph with their graph, but they're moving first. Makes McKinsey a first mover.

McKinsey never done anything as an institution, well, great. Well, at least your people made a ton of money because they can do it through Microsoft or Databricks or whoever they get to. You can initiate any graph as an individual. It's a mathematical structure: like how do you get maximum hyperviral distribution with a line and standards that ignores blocks?

It goes not even go around them. It's a freaking neutrino. It goes straight through them and touches nothing. That's how you get to 99.93% probability of a hit.

Right. And by the way, this thing, it's really cool. Have you? I'm sure you study Elon Musk and do you watch his videos when he talks about stuff?

Have you ever seen like the Joe Rogan podcast he does?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:31 - Unidentified Speaker No.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:32 - Jonathan Hare man. I love Joe Rogan because he's, even though, he hangs out with the, well, I love Joe Rogan.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:38 - Marc Singer I do too. There's nothing to apologize.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:39 - Jonathan Hare Well, yeah, I like the dude. He's smart. He's from San Francisco. Do that?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:44 - Marc Singer No, I did not know that.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:16:45 - Jonathan Hare Originally. Yeah. But, anyways, he's into scientists and he's into some fruity shit and not into vaccination. So that's the only thing I'm, whatever.

But anyway, so Elon, he believes that it's almost certain that we live in a simulation. Do about the holographic principle?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:17:05 - Marc Singer I've heard Elon talk about that. I've not heard about the holographic principle.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:17:10 - Jonathan Hare So if you look, so by the way, this is, these are not analogies or metaphors. Cause, and by the way, the reason I'm sending all these videos, like, no, that's, I've been training my brain since I was an infant and learning these models, studying this stuff. And you sort of, there's, you need to establish models. So the thing is, there's a common math.

This is what Kincilians talks about, by the way. That's what consilience means. If there's a common pattern or mechanism across different domains, that's ascertain trait. So Riemann manifolds, which is an example of non-Euclidean geometry, basically, says, so the latest phrase of the stuff is you can express any universe, any mathematical system, any invariant, blah, blah.

All of them can be expressed, which is why it's useless for predicting things like any universe is possible. So how do you prove anything? Well, and by the way, what is space and time? We don't know.

What we know is that math works. So, a lot of the holographic principle, if there's like a whatever, that's a lower dimensional, all the information on these, it doesn't have how what if the universe is math, it's information. Because we don't know what stuff is, why not? What is space?

We don't know. What is time? We don't know, right? So, it's like, okay, well, what if it's information?

And then, so then it's like, well, if we were, then if it's information and you can compute on it, then you could make the universe a simulation. It could be some kid in some other universe simulating us. It could be layered, what And so you need enough compute. Well, if you have really massive computing power, right, then you could do that, right?

So I won't go through all right now, but the point is that's a truth. Anyways, the unified trust model is designed on that, our governance is all done that. It's like, okay. Well, we have, I've set it up using those models and what's called, eternal inflation, where you get these, the accelerators are like a universe, right?

And it expands very rapidly, has its own resources, and then it sort of gets to enough temperature or settles down and then matter forms and it kind of, then things are reasonably normal, right? But eternal inflation is there's these bubbles they keep on triggering. So the universe infinite, right? And so, anyways, like, well, we could do that too.

And so, you we can do with enough compute? First we can all upload our histories, lives, everything, or actually not ours, human history, Dune, Marvel universes. You can have any history in there. Create these parallel universes.

You have enough compute, right? Then you can sort of upload, You can live vicariously through them using Elon Musk Neuralink. This Neuralink stuff? Yeah.

That's important. It's like this has been my plan for 30 years. I'm old someday. I've seen grandmas and grandpas.

It's not a good way to live,? Well, as long as my brain works and I go into this photorealistic, immersive virtual reality, as long as you have direct neural connections where it's like your senses, you're there, right? As long as your brain functions, it can be in a bucket. What?

It's like, that would be cool. And the other thing I said like 30 years ago is like, okay, when AI happens, this is 2000, right? It's like when AI happens, nobody's talking about AI. When AI happens, like this is going to happen.

And then if you're not beautiful, smart, funny, like, and, and ambitious and driven, what are you going to do with your time? First of all, how are you going to earn a living? And then how are you going to occupy yourself? It's going to be a problem,?

I said, well, look how much time people spend watching like Marc. We didn't have Marvel back then, I guess, but entertainment, stupid stuff on TV, sports, whatever. But a lot of people doing video videos.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:20:43 - Marc Singer Yeah, no, it's unbelievable.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:20:46 - Jonathan Hare what if, like, my dream since child is like, to be the Roman Emperor, I would be Augustus, and the Roman Empire would be flourishing today. We wouldn't use the iron, the lead pipes, and we value science and whatever. It's like that would be fun. And then I want to go travel.

So, anyways, that's possible with enough compute. The other thing that's possible if you do enough physics, right? Maybe wormholes, right? It's possible to do wormholes, maybe, right?

And then you can go anywhere instantaneously, right? Marc, my ass. I don't believe that Elon Musk wants to go to Marc. To go to Marc, but it's like, that's a hell of a fucking trip.

And the dust, I wouldn't go. I would go virtually.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:21:26 - Marc Singer But I Listen, I don't, I don't, I don't doubt those things will happen at all. Right? No, if we can imagine it, we'll figure it out.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:21:38 - Jonathan Hare And capital. So, look at it. I was, I've watched the, I watched all these stupid things. I watched certain things.

By the way, one of the things I've lost the ability to pay attention. So I used to, like, I can't watch even Farside. That's how I knew I was done. Can't get through GPS.

I can't watch a science video. I can't like anything for 50 minutes. My head is racing now. It's like, I'm done.

It's next phase. Right. But, anyways. So I started watching like music videos.

They're who's this chick? That's what they're like, I hadn't seen her. Yeah, she was like popular 20 years ago. Haven't seen a music video in 20 years, But, anyways, but so they're getting ready to go public, and XII is a complete disaster on the AI modeling side.

Is that fair?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:22:22 - Marc Singer I'll take your word for it.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:22:24 - Jonathan Hare No, he. Money, fires people. He's selling his compute, Colossus, to Anthropic and Google. So he did a great job building the data centers.

Unbelievable. And but then, the AI models, nobody's using them. There's no revenue model. So what does he do?

He's leasing the capacity of Colossus to Anthropic. And now they did one with Google. It's like, that's their revenue, right? So it's like, well, what if?

What if AI models weren't the thing? Because they're not. Right. The AI model is an input.

There can be a lot of them. Right. So, what he's doing with what's unique to XAI that will work for his freaking IPO. So he needs $75 billion.

That'll last about two years. Right. The spend they're going to have to do for the terror fab and all that shit. And then, like, he's talking big.

He talks my talk. That man is the boldest dude ever. Next, well. Bolder than me because, like, the shit risk he takes, like, damn, man, Jesus.

Thank God he's doing it. And, but people trust him to do it now. Yep. So now it's like, okay, well, what if we work together?

You can join like everybody else. A model for XAI, Space Link, or whatever it is, SpaceX. And what he talks about now is data centers in space, right? Where you have.

You the solar power is continuous, that's good. But then it's like, hey, but what about how about actually building stuff? What would he do at the moon? He's doing the whole what do you call that?

It's from moon is a horse mistress, it was from a Heinlein story where they have this basically accelerator that launches it off the off the moon. They have an expanse too, anyways. So, he's into that shit. Me too.

I'm I guarantee you Read the same science fiction books, right? Anyways, but he has one of those because, if there's actually materials on the moon, it's far less energy to do it with these accelerators, right? And there, and so then you could have epic amounts of compute, right? Epic.

Beyond, I'm beyond blood. That's exactly what you need to create these parallel universes in computational land. It's exactly what you need. And then, guess what?

That would be really useful for humanity. Right? In many different ways. And then what I'm going to do is go get the like the Eileen Goos, people, who, there's a lot, a long list that I've dreamed about for time.

I saw her like two days ago because she was talking about neuroplasticity, right? And it's like, and she's definitely a very well-grounded person. She's going to help us free China, by the way, because that's why I wonder. It's like the only thing that bugged me about her a little bit.

She said, Do Eileen Goo?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:25:02 - Unidentified Speaker Of course I do. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:25:03 - Marc Singer Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:25:04 - Marc Singer I don't know her personally, but I know her.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:25:06 - Jonathan Hare Did you Read? And people wonder, like, why are you spamming with all these things? She's the first person I've ever followed. First entity I've ever followed on Instagram.

I didn't know how to do it. So now I get all the stuff. And then the more you learn about, my God, she's like me, except different. Her mom was, a wonderful mother, apparently.

Anyways, different. And she challenged herself with like athletics. But then she, first thing she studied at Stanford. Was quantum mechanics, right?

And you need to understand quantum mechanics and physics. To understand physics. That's the basis of everything else. It all emerges from physics.

Where do you think it comes from Where do you think chemistry comes from Blah, blah. By the way, that's what conciliance is about. Used to be conciliance, like Riches. Anyways, but she's incredibly.

When I watched her, like, brought literal tears, like, okay, she. Did you see the thing where you talk so fast? Do you think? This woman said, Do you think before you talk?

This is not a rude question. Do before you talk? Because you speak so quickly about any topic so eloquently, so fluently about, geopolitics or aerodynamics or your sport. So do you think before walk us in your brain, right?

So then she's into, actually, so there's this thing she mentioned neuroplasticity. I'm 22 years old. And I have neuroplasticity on my side. And she said, You can, you can control your thoughts.

And if you control your thoughts, you can rewire your brain essentially. And then you can control who you beat. And I would be, my eight-year-old self would be obsessed with me. Anyways, I'm so sissy these days.

The problem is I'm connecting things that I suppress because I know these techniques really well. Well, and so I suppress, I archived them, what? Because I had to focus on the whole model, and it's like you have to forget everything. You literally have to put it on your mind, or it follows those paths, right?

You have to, it's not that they disappear, but they do, they're not there, and you have to, the only way you connect them is you think about them, and then it reestablishes, right? All this stuff, right? You probably anyways so anyway so that's like that's what i've been going through for the last few weeks is like okay I had these things pre-wired I knew there'd be a new phase right and I have different personas I have my einstein I have my mlk if I'm about to take a beating I know it for principle I start channeling martin luther king for my youth and I've lived in that black community in Malcolm X school, and my parents were out there. We were on the front lines, so I start channeling that because you're proud of it.

You wear badge of officers, get your ass kicked, right? If it's time to do war, it's it's it's Winston Churchill, my other hero, man, dude, like he saw before, he knows how to kick ass for a good cause, right? Or Gandhi, channel all these guys. And now I can channel, I can channel, well, a little bit.

Elon is hard. He's such a unique guy, but I get him. I understand what is going on in his mind. Anyways, and this Eileen woman.

The difference is she's grounded and she can communicate with anybody. When she's, I've never seen her not smile, right? Except once. And so I saw this thing where.

Anyway, so she always smiles. Somebody asked this asshole question, like, hey, you got two silvers, not two more golds. Do you feel like a failure or something stupid like that? And I saw this like micro expressions like contempt, derision, pain, sadness, for this idiot.

But she never didn't smile. I the micro expressions. And then she like, anyways, you'll have to see it. It's this amazing answer.

And she's inspiring to everybody, right? And but also she knows how that. So it's like, okay, she can. So, and by the way, why the only thing I didn't like about her, not knowing her from Adam, is like, why are you competing for Li Bei Jing, right?

I love Chinese and China, but and the amazing culture that predates ours. They beat us at everything for thousands of years, but the political system, in particular, the oppression and the surveillance state and that part. Is like the one thing I don't admire. They're much more strategic than we are.

God bless them for all that green stuff. And they're brilliant, right? But so I know how to get rid of them, but you need an ambassador. It's her.

She's perfect. And she chose that hell to get it. It's one of the things. Actually, I think I because I save them all and I stop.

Yeah. Is this one? So I'm now obsessed with Eileen. I'm, I get obsessed with people.

I'll find it. Anyways, so I'm getting these things because we're going to do like narrators. She needs to be a spokesman, right? And by the way, are you still connected at Stanford?

Because she's at Stanford.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:30:06 - Marc Singer I'm not. You're probably more connected than I am. My connections are mainly Cal, partly geography, partly, I feel like Cal probably made more difference in my life.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:30:21 - Jonathan Hare Go Bears. Stanford is a trade school. I love but anyway, so first of all, we're really connected. I'm going to.

What I'm doing next, by the way, the reason I'm doing this, need get, I've gotten through this emotional period or the re, it's not emotional. People think, let's go give him a hug. No, I need to process. I need to pivot my brain into the next phase.

It's now, you the negotiator slash Lord Protector of the Realm. Did I'm a direct descendant of Oliver Cromwell? No. Because we've come from a religious family.

There's a giant, most boring book in the history of mankind that says who begat whom. Listen, right? Going back to Charlemagne. By the way, genetically, it's almost meaningless.

If you go back like 300 years, it's almost random, the DNA, but there is a lineage there, right? Also, Charles, excuse me, Prince William of Orange, who is William and Mary, right? So that's how we got to America. We were sure we were like, illegitimate children of Prince William, who is an epic dude.

And so he had a lot of girlfriends on the side. It was more or less an arranged marriage. What? It was a political marriage.

But he had a lot of children that were not legitimate and they didn't know what to do with them. So they sent him to Baltimore in like 1630, something. That's how we got to America. So, anyways, but Charles, the lower protector realm, his story?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:31:42 - Marc Singer No, I don't. Hang on for one second. My person I told to call me at 10:30 is calling. I need to pull personally.

And back.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:32:26 - Jonathan Hare Okay, I won't go into it, but he was, remember, he was the guy that killed, or there was an insurrection in King Charles I think, got beheaded. So there was this brief period about 30 years where it was, kind of a democracy slash to tell, so he was the Lord Protector. He was basically acting as a king, but he wasn't a king. And then once he died, the King Charles of whatever the second, whoever the next one was, came back.

And I know because they him up and draw and quarter them and dragged around the world because they're so pissed at this guy. But he ran England there for 30 years or something like that. Anyways, so, but the thing is that, hey, since we're launching the accelerator network and somebody has to be in charge, contractually, otherwise, it has to be political. So, do you trust politics to do anything whatsoever?

So it's like, okay, lay it all out. So it's a Neville, but you still have to, until the thing starts settling and until you bake the quantum genome into all these different accelerators and the whole exchange network. Once that takes care of itself, I couldn't screw it up. What?

But it'll take a little while. So it's like, you have to do that. That's why I'm going to ascend to heaven on earth with a bunch of people who will be ambassadors in different countries. So, all my ex-girlfriends and people I know, all these, women, because I actually trust women more because they're more nurturing.

They're not as ego. They're better. If you're talking to societal governance, who do you want running, right? And especially since it's bottoms up, it has bottoms up.

Guys always want to be the top dog, including me, right? So, anyways, get them in and then get in, so different countries. I have old friends and girlfriends and whatnot in Iran, two of them are not. Well, she's not my girlfriend, but she's Iranian and Korean.

And my serious girlfriend, or a girlfriend, was Don Sarzad, and she was Iranian. So, anyways, all these different countries. And so, Eileen and my old girlfriend, Kim Wang, who's also actual Chinese, full-blooded Chinese, is like, we need an ambassador because if you're a Li Pijing, did you ever get to the, by the way, well, there's the last Nobel Peace Prize about how you have, let's see what it is. I always forget what I called things.

Yeah, resolving the authoritarian transition problem. Freedoms, economic opportunity, peaceful reform. So you should look through this stuff. It's great stuff.

Anyways, going back to the Elon Musk one is like he's got a narrative problem. The multiples on that IPO are insane. Like most other successful companies were insane in the beginning, right? So when I say it's insane, that's a good thing, right?

But there's something missing, there is a faith-based, yeah, Elon will figure it out, right? And there, what people, the other reason why I'll work is people like, Hey, space is cool, I'm rich anyway, so maybe I'll put a little bet something on something that might make a difference, what because it's cool, what? But that ain't a stable situation. So, our stuff, if he really gets into it's like you don't need to do AI model stuff.

Why even try? You can, everybody will run through this network. Do what you do, lead it. If he says it, everybody will follow.

If he and Eileen say it, who are about polar opposites in terms of temperament, he says, Go fuck yourself. She says, go love yourself. What? That's the sort of triangulation you want.

So, by the way, I do want to get to Berkeley because that's my home. I was born there. That's, that, I always rooted for Cal, even when I was at Stanford, right? And we should activate them.

What are your thoughts on how to activate Cal?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:13 - Marc Singer Well, I don't, so let me pause and think. I don't know if I have a thought about it enough to say there's a strategy. And the reality is.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:26 - Jonathan Hare How about the Blue Fund? What was that thing called? The House Fund. The House Fund.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:30 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah, those guys.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:33 - Jonathan Hare So maybe the thing about it is you don't have to rifle shot it, right? Get it to somebody. Say, dude, spread it around. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:36:44 - Marc Singer So let me ask. So let me tell you. Affiliation that the House Fund is most proud of is Databricks. You're exactly right.

And there's a professor who is, a co-founder or the founder who is very friendly with them. And I'm wondering if you've encountered him in your many travels. I don't look up founder of Databricks or founders of Databricks.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:37:14 - Jonathan Hare Well, who's there? Well, two things. So Sanjay Cheddar, do you remember Sanjay?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:37:19 - Marc Singer Vaguely, a classmate, right? He's a classmate of ours, dude.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:37:22 - Jonathan Hare So he's now the vice president of strategic partnerships at Databricks. He was, he was at, so he was at Microsoft with me, and then he stayed there for a bunch of years. Fairly senior guy. Then he went to, what do you call it?

What was nathan mervold's thing the patent troll thing it wasn't patent troll but yeah it was patent trolls intellectual ventures yeah so he was 17 years at microsoft freaking knows everybody and he's a super sweet guy right and then he was at intellectual ventures with nathan mervold who's like the cto for seven years so he'll appreciate our freaking patent portfolio I think right and then he's a board member of like all the healthcare up there And then he went to Amazon for what, five years, four years, something like that. So corporate development. And, I reached out to him. I saw him at graduation.

I reached out. He's hard to reach because he's always fucking busy. Usual bullshit that you get when people, don't know whatever. But now it's different.

Now he runs, he's the head of partnership at Databricks. And I was telling rich Moyer and Vondana earlier, it's like, dude, you realize we don't actually need you. The most important actual contribution was your Databricks appointment. How about if we got Databricks?

So that's one connection. The other is Peter Sansini, who's Larry Sansini's son. Larry was my original mentor. He taught me everything about how venture works.

What? And so, anyways, he had a, I guess he was wanted to be that they had a contest to replace.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:38:52 - Marc Singer I don't know what's that? I was going to say. So I.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:38:57 - Jonathan Hare i've only ever seen him on video I'm on the board of visitors for uc berkeley are you talking by the way he's a cal grad big time hardcore larry's on the board we're in yeah there's whatever 14 get into him dude he will I guarantee by the way my old tech docs dude andrew gumperts who's brilliant guy the smartest guy i've ever had with no ego right no ego so he was like my muse we used to watch walk to starbucks every goddamn day And he would write shit down, right? And he's used to, he's a world-class bridge player, right? Guess what? He told yeah, I'm training or I'm training Larius Sansini, right?

I know how to get there. And get to him. Because by the way, what I want now is peer review. That's why I'm positioning it.

I say ask for everybody. It's like, hey, I got all these Nobel, all it's all there. I want peer review. I have no direct peers, but when you're talking, quantum privacy liquidity layer, there are peers for that.

There are peers for all these things. Get it to the people that actually are interested in this stuff and have the intellectual capacity and background to care to understand it. And they happen to be very important, powerful, influential people. And all you're asking to like, forward around.

We're not, we're not asking, you don't have to review it, forward it to the right person. And then you tell these guys, it's like, hey, if you deal with it's worth something. This is not a courtesy referral. Because if you get to one of these powerful, Berkeley is a huge ecosystem.

And what do we want to do? By the way, one of the, I'll Read it to you. I don't know why nobody reads these things, but one of them, let's see, was about how you make. Stuff academics and self-funding.

Where was it? Bom, bum, bom, bum. Maybe it was, let's see, where was it? Okay, EP3, it's a multi.

Where the hell was it? Somewhere in here. So the EP3 Nature and Humanity Trust. I went specifically in how do you make?

Clinical or science, all that shit it doesn't need handouts from anybody, right? Governments, alumni, because we hugely underinvest like that. And it's not the hard sciences, that can clearly earn a living by itself, but it's like arts and culture and society. What are humans going to do once the robots and AI is doing everything for us?

Or can do it. Find somebody you're interested in, build a community. People, why do people like to go into college? You get to hang out with cool people, drink beers, and do whatever, talk about shit.

It's fun. You can get into that. How, do you still go to games at Stan Berkeley?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:41:46 - Marc Singer I'm not a big sports fan, Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:41:48 - Jonathan Hare Neither am I, but I would. But most of my classmates do.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:41:52 - Marc Singer Yeah, no, I so I've been to one sports game at Cal in the last. 20 years.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:42:00 - Jonathan Hare Yeah, but you're not a football guy. I'm a good guy. The point is, most of my fraternity brothers, I was only there for like three months because, it compromised my studies, but I love these guys. I whatever, this is the point.

It's like people be into whatever you're into. And so anything that engages people actually creates community. Communities are valuable in our ecosystem. They have economic leverage.

Anyway, so there's things like that. And it's like, hey, and whoever helps us develop that, right? And by the way, Berkeley is a major sponsor and Stanford and the Doerr School of whatever goodness, environment, or whatever the hell it is, sustainability school. Jonathan Doerr has a school that he funded at Stanford about sustainability shit or something.

Anyways, they're all sponsors of the Nobel Sustainability Trust, right? And by the way, they have an academic network globally. That's their big thing. It's like they, we connect all these, MIT, Cambridge, all of them.

And then, that's their angle. And I know the whole freaking family and this president, I've been waiting. Cause if you do it one at a time, there's a very high probability that people, it'll bounce off. What?

And so, like, don't shoot it until, and then if you do it all the time, it's like, hey, we're having a good time. I'm, have a birthday tour. People love that. That's how I got funded with Scott.

Or Scott likes me. It's my birthday. So, and I want 90 minutes of your time and bring one of your minions. I probably said that actually, but bring somebody.

I got 15 due diligence references, huge ones. It's not something I can fit in your 15-slide Sequoia stupid deck, right? All this wonderfulness can't fit in 15 slides. Right?

And that's how it goes. And I knew that they gave million dollar seeds by wiping their ass with it, right? Because he told me, yeah, this is all the big deals are early and our fund is so big, we can't, we can't pay attention to these things. So we invest and ultimately did three.

Anyways, it's like, it's a throbby. Yeah, that's easy. You only need two or two or three sponsor, two partners to sponsor it rather than the whole damn partnership. That's why I did it.

I knew it was an easy ask, but I wanted, I wanted. Enough time to have a conversation not a pitch and somebody else who would follow up right now we're going to do that it's like hey I would talk to old or no julan I'm I'm going to my girls because I love them but they're much nicer than I am actually I'm the nicest human on the planet in fact I don't appear that way sometimes right when people are not moving things forward or whatever but anyway so it's like I was I was talking to ulti right And she was, and I used to, we used to travel. She never came to a business meeting, but I went to these conferences, like all things digital or, stuff like that. It's like, do you remember when we were like the Ritz wherever the hell it was, San Clement?

I came like, which one of those did you go to? Because I remember her being there. Yeah. And I walked down the hall with her and she's super sociable and beautiful.

So people would flock, people that would be running from me normally because they think I was going to pitch them. They would walk, they'd form a line. I'm serious. That's the Michelle Ritter factor.

It's like form a fucking line. And then, by the way, even if they're gay, like Sam Alman, right? There'd be a line. You'd be want to be in the line to talk to the other important people that you want to talk to because they're in line waiting.

What? You have to talk to somebody. It's kind of pathetic to be in line to talk to Eric Schmidt and some hottie. What?

Some CEO of this thing, right? Anyway, so the thing we did that. And it's like, and when she was there, barely went to the sessions because it's boring as hell, when you've been to 20 of them. But anyways, but say, yeah, that Texas guy.

And I said, Texas guy is like, yeah, Dell. You mean Adam Dell? My buddy from the Santa Fe Institute, like Michael Dell's brother. Yeah.

It's like, yeah. So the thing is, get them all going. They compare notes. They have to get up to speed.

So they're not saying it's like, it's not like, these people need some former model 20 years ago. They remember them. What So when you reach out, we're throwing a party. So I'm do a world tour, right?

I'm going somebody. Hopefully Kim is back from wherever the hell she's traveling to. He's like, we're go down, to Big Sur and Santa Barbara and then, Malibu and then get to Beverly Hills and Burbank is my buddy Kevin. Remember Kevin Tujahar, by the way?

Way?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:46:27 - Marc Singer I do.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:46:28 - Unidentified Speaker Do him?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:46:30 - Marc Singer He might remember my name. I not spoken to him since graduation, but I know he had that big job at Warner Brothers and then there was the Warner Brothers scandal. Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:46:39 - Jonathan Hare No, he didn't. It's bullshit. That pisses me off, by the way. Pisses me off what they did to him.

But, anyways, yeah. And everybody at Warner Brothers was pissed. Right. Anyways, he was a year ahead of me at.

Petaluma High. He was like best friends with my brother Milt, right? And then we were classmates at Stanford. And then we had all that stuff going with me.

We got to Disney through Eric Hazeltine to like Bud Albers, who's CTO. So I met freaking everybody at Disney. And this guy, Bud Albers, who's CTO and head of Disney Interactive or whatever, went to whoever that, whoever the guy that wanted to be CEO of Disney, the big power broker that. I forget his name.

I should remember. But, anyways, I said, I want 80 million bucks to do this trust network shit. That's what he said. It's like, we buy Marvel and like stuff like that.

And so the answer is no. So he quit. So we went through like six generations of leadership at probably 50 meetings at Disney, all the leadership, like all unbelievable. Right.

And then I wanted to, I was like, hey, so I reached out to Touch, Kevin. And so we went and we went to hooked up at a bar, some old jet setter bar from like 50 years ago and went through He loved it. He hooked me up with his whole team. And have that kind of sponsorship, I could get meetings with everybody.

And then they hooked us up with Sony and DECE, which is digital entertainment content ecosystem. So they had something called, they did voodoo and Blu-ray. They're all things where you need a standard. Then they did Ultraviolet, which is a digital rights management thing, right?

That everybody but Apple and Disney. Guess who won? Apple, or excuse me, Disney. And Apple uses Disney stuff.

It's called Movies Anywhere. Anyways, so I know all those guys, and I reached out to my buddy Jerrell Jimerson, who was our classmate. He was the only black dude in the whole industrial engineering, operations, resource thing. We were like total buddies.

19. When did we start? 87 or whenever it was. And he went after then, he went to, at Apple, Go, Netscape, AOL, guess who his boss, or who he worked with?

Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz. And then he did My CFO, Yahoo. I'm doing this from memory. PayPal.

Then he did Songbird, some other music thing, whatever the iHeartRadio. Right? Then he got brain cancer, like serious brain cancer. So Stanford saved him with some serious brain surgery, came back and he was like, cool.

And so he and a few other friends, like, we need to go do our go-to-market strategy for entertainment. Cause I've been saying for like 20 years, it's like, you ubiquitous adoption, get, sports, entertainment, education, people twerking, shaking their ass, whatever, gets people to pay attention. It's not about the content. It's not an ask, right?

So I developed the whole thing. And I said, and then by then, Disney had another frickin' turnover, right? Can get me? So, do anybody current at Disney?

So, he talked to them, and ended up a year later running the Disney streaming unit, right? The whole thing. So rich and I have been to rich Mooth, we know all those guys. We, so I finally got him.

He's on a plane last night to London, right? And so, he we're texting back like, remember all the shit? And by the way, so those guys are so wired. And he lives in Burbank or someplace.

He's got a giant spread. So I'm going down there, right? And I have a ton of friends. Activate it, do my little dance.

But meanwhile, and that's what triggers this cascade. So anyways. And the other thing is, so I to do it globally, right? Because I have friends always, but people with cool people and they have connections, they have money.

And if you do it, and the other plan with a lot of these people I'm helping out is we need some energy. I do everything. I haven't had an admin now in like 10 years, right? I haven't had a freaking maid in 10 years, right?

Is that right? No, seven years. Ever since 2000, I had to get rid of my made. Made for 20 years.

I haven't claimed anything in like, three days a week. So, and I'm like everybody else's admin. That's why I get so angsty. It's like, I have to set up a meeting, have to play the role of everybody, do everything.

And then so you, well, it drives me nuts. We need some support. And so the thing is, by the way, did you look at the QPIN Quantum Privacy Innovation and Investment Network and the QP? Metafund, which is, did you look at that section?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:51:08 - Marc Singer I don't think I did.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:51:09 - Jonathan Hare Yeah. Reinvised everything about finance, right? Because finance matters. Monetary systems matter.

So if you're going to go into like something this big, the current finance system can barely survive as it is. It's completely broken. Have you noticed? So we completely revolutionized it.

And then I said, what? How do I? I was assuming. There's only so much novelty and innovation a culture can handle.

And this, I know, Elon is this way. It's like, you got to spoon feed them. What? Put it out of reach.

So it's plausible. But if it's like around the corner, they won't even think about it. What? So it's like, okay, well, I was assuming we'd have to like create EP3 networks to a separate, to make it more efficient, whatever, because of the NEA problem and a few other things.

But, anyways. Do it with preferred equity, blah, blah. But then you get, it's really tokens. It's like now it's like with entangled tokens, all of this, we don't private or preferred equity, the entire capital system completely broken.

When was preferred equity and common equity crap invented? It was like the 70s, wasn't it?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:15 - Marc Singer Maybe before that, I don't know.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:18 - Jonathan Hare But when they had like private venture, the first VC firm was the 70s, I think. There's probably one in the 60s. Whenever it wasn't Bill Draper, yeah, maybe.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:28 - Marc Singer you could argue some of the early things that funded exploration were the equivalent of venture capital for.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:37 - Jonathan Hare But I was saying when they use preferred the model, yeah. There's a very, it hasn't changed in decades.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:44 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:45 - Unidentified Speaker Right.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:52:45 - Jonathan Hare This is what Larry Santini told me about when I first met him. He agreed to join the board, invest, and do all I chaz because he did it once a year in those days. Anyways, he said, You seem to have a very strong technical and sort of scientific background. Forget all that.

It's all art. It's no science. You do it with these structures. You can dilute 20 to like 95% if you don't go completely bust, right?

Valuation has nothing to do with value. It's all about the size of the round, blah hockey cut of and it's like, so please forget everything you learned from like Myron Schultz, amazing. And I said, okay. With him, I always said, Okay, because, like, he knew what he was talking about, and like, sounds weird, it sounds stupid, but we've reinvented it now.

So, anyways, when So it turns out since the ERT exchange root tokens, they're perpetual non-diloated tokens. It has 7.5% share of all settlement activity in perpetuity by protocol. It's not a contract. It's in the protocol, right?

Because it's all decent. It's a protocol. It's not an entity. It's not a balance sheet.

There's no governance. It's a protocol, right? Bitcoin or something, except this, anyways. So then it's like, okay, well, what's that worth?

Actually, infinite. Because once this thing gets to scale, you can't kill it. The network effects are so strong. And since it's it can change, you can of stuff you can diversify, evolve, change.

It's all that's built in, so it never dies. It'll be doing transactions as long as there's life or like whatever. It could be AI will be doing it actually. Long after our biological lineage is gone, because we figured out a way to upload ourselves into.

Cyber, cyberspace, and it's better up there. You live forever, you live as long as you want. If you could, you go there, right? Anyway, so it's like it'll be so those projections at 28 quadrillion dollars for the size of the total settlement activity through for the first 75 years, right?

So it's like, well, okay, what if we sell some private equity? Well, the total, do what the total liquid? Well, I told you, 348. Trillion, according to PwC, is the total investable capital as of now.

Does that sound right? In the world, yeah.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:55:02 - Marc Singer Yeah, that sounds about right.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:55:03 - Jonathan Hare I think what's the U. S. Stock market is like 70 trillion or something like that. So, anyways, so okay, well, if that's a tiny fraction.

So, now there's a part in there I call that I said, well, there's the intrinsic value, which is the net present value based on the rational derived. You can figure out what the discount rate should be from liquidity pool. Otherwise, it would arbitrage itself out. An inherent discount rate that should be based on certain factors, right?

So it's like, okay, so maybe a couple of percent. So the market realizable value, if you went to traditional capital sources, would be a tiny fraction of the intrinsic value. Well, that kind of sucks, right? And I said, okay, well, guess what?

Turns out that contractually I can contract for the entire ecosystem because it doesn't exist yet, right? We've reserved space for a lot of people, right? Like, it contemplates sharing, it mandates broad sharing, but who can contract it? Well, it turns out I can't, right?

Then say, okay, well, we have the native tokens. There's different types of tokens. Remember, you asked why all these damn tokens, right? You remember that?

Yeah. And I was like, I don't know. I did it. Right.

It made sense because there's, but there's a reason. I knew it. It's like, how do I explain this? What?

But anyways, now once you did it's like, okay, well, these things. So it's like, you can contract it. So you create this giant liquidity pool. And it's like, we have them called senior quantum privacy token derivatives.

So my old mentor, Myron Scholes, this is a funny story. When I got to know him really well, I was. Aide or whatever. I did all this shit for him, all the Nobel guys.

But I was also his tech support for Marc, right? Like he was for Merton, right? The senior professor. He was like his tech dude.

He was like his computer dude. That's what Myron was at Chicago, right? So I used to go to his house and I saw his then-wife berating him, like because I was there. I don't know what.

And he was like sheep as we go up into his attic where his computer was. And this woman. Was harsh, now his ex-wife, and says, everything is an option. Marriage is an option, right?

Like a boat is an option. It gives you the right to like sail it and, sell it. And like a marriage is like a right to have children. You can have sex with them.

And they can yell at you. He said as his eyes rolled,. So it's true. Everything can be modeled as a derivative.

And if you get a portfolio of them, you can create a synthetic anything. So, what we have is like, okay, it's actually, we will never sell the exchange root tokens or the accelerator tokens. They're held by in trust by the various, you the governance reserve and so on, because like they're too valuable. You can't get a claim on income a million years from now or 500 years from now.

If you did, you're dead by then, in all probability, right? If you had it now, you trigger an asset bubble. And the average house in San Francisco would cost $10 billion. It would.

And that would make the rebellion happen sooner. What? So that can't happen. So I built all these rational, not currency controls, but like, well, if you want to get early liquidity, like, yeah, you own those things, but who says you can pull it forward into now?

What? If it's 500 years from now, yeah, well, if you're, you can give it to like, no, you want it now? Here's the price, much lower. So live large, and the governance reserve will buy it from you for pennies and it'll go back to the public trust.

That's good. So we didn't have to tax you. You did it because you wanted a yacht. What?

Works perfect, right? So then I said, so we have these senior quantum privacy derivative token derivatives. Jonathan.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:58:52 - Marc Singer I have a 11 o'clock.

JONATHAN HARE: 1:58:54 - Jonathan Hare okay, so cool. Thanks. Well, one thing you do is I could use people that spread the word since it's better for you to ask is want to raise some money because this thing is the safest thing ever. And you can name any terms you want.

I want 30%, any terms want safest thing ever and pull it. It can be a $10,000 thing or a trillion dollar thing. And then use it to pay people to actually start working on this stuff. You?

Second, houses, boats, and planes. To do this, my birthday tour, which will be global, I need places to meet people. What? And so people have spare houses or shit.

And I could use some of that stuff because it's been 20 years. So can you spread the word to some of our friends?

JONATHAN HARE: 1:59:38 - Marc Singer Yeah. I'm thinking aloud, but

JONATHAN HARE: 1:59:42 - Jonathan Hare Scott has a house here, and so does Jennifer. He's here like, he can't be here that much because of tax purposes, right? Or whatever. I don't care.

It's more, I don't care who it comes from It's frankly, it's fun. What I need a vacation and I need a place for my loved ones and friends or people I'm networking with to show up together. It's a powerful thing, right? So, and by the way, they will be rewarded.

Not pay them, but they'll earn some quantum reputation for it. Trust me, it'll be worth their trouble. And if they don't, by the way, we're going to make a record of it. It's like, yeah, here's, what did you do when you had the chance?

Nothing or a little bit. It's like, I guess you didn't believe. Explain yourself. Have fun with it.

I'm not being mean. It's like, explain why you didn't see it or explain, put your thoughts. Yeah, I thought it was crazy. That's good television.

Seriously. Yeah, there's a contribution. Say something inflammatory and say I'm an idiot. I would love that.

I was about to say, I dare you. I pity the fools like, Mr. T. I pity the fool that doesn't believe in this shit.

So I dare them to make a deprecate whatever. Talk to me. Okay.

JONATHAN HARE: 2:00:51 - Marc Singer to leave this 11 o'clock.

JONATHAN HARE: 2:00:53 - Jonathan Hare Okay, deal. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. How do we do this?